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[00:07] <Bertl> I haven't had grsec running yet ...
[00:09] <shuri> i am rady to test grsec with vserver
[00:09] <Bertl> the grsec patch behaves as expected?
[00:10] <shuri> behaves %?
[00:10] <shuri> let me look at the dictionnary
[00:10] <shuri> :P
[00:10] <Bertl> well, it does the same as grsec under 2.4.22?
[00:10] <shuri> shuri@beta:/$ dmesg
[00:10] <shuri> klogctl: Operation not permitted
[00:10] <shuri> yes
[00:10] <shuri> i am in LOW Security setting
[00:11] <shuri> and it work
[00:11] <shuri> LOW setting are:
[00:11] <shuri> linking restrictions ³
[00:11] <shuri> ³ fifo restrictions ³
[00:11] <shuri> ³ random pids ³
[00:11] <shuri> ³ enforcing nproc on execve() ³
[00:11] <shuri> ³ restricted dmesg ³
[00:11] <shuri> ³ random ip ids ³
[00:11] <shuri> ³ enforced chdir("/") on chroot
[00:12] <shuri> while assuring that none of your software will have any ³
[00:12] <shuri> ³ conflicts with the additional security measures.
[00:12] <shuri> hehe
[00:12] <Bertl> okay, give me a few minutes, I'll adapt that to c17f ...
[00:12] <shuri> ok
[00:12] <Bertl> test a little more ...
[00:13] <Bertl> .. in the meantime ... especially the proc features are interesting ...
[00:22] <shuri> humm
[00:22] <shuri> abuo tproc
[00:22] <shuri> proc
[00:22] <Bertl> yup?
[00:22] <shuri> i got to switch top medium
[00:22] <shuri> or high security
[00:23] <Bertl> which means?
[00:23] <shuri> only got enforcing nproc on execve() in LOW feature
[00:23] <Bertl> okay, is there a problem?
[00:23] <shuri> no
[00:23] <shuri> how i can test got enforcing nproc on execve() :P
[00:24] <Bertl> maybe someone using grsec can answer ;)
[00:25] <shuri> will read the docs..
[00:26] <shuri> http://www.grsecurity.net/gracldoc.htm
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[00:38] <Bertl> http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/patch-2.4.23-pre7-c17f-grsec-1.9.12.diff.bz2
[00:39] <Bertl> okay, that should be the c17f version ...
[00:40] <shuri> ok
[00:40] <Bertl> so you apply it 'ontop' the c17f ...
[00:41] <shuri> ok
[00:42] <shuri> humm
[00:42] <Bertl> troubles?
[00:42] <shuri> c17f is for .22
[00:43] <Bertl> there is a 2.4.23-pre7 version too ;)
[00:43] <Bertl> http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/patch-2.4.23-pre7-c17f.diff.bz2
[00:43] <shuri> ha
[00:43] <shuri> :P
[00:50] <shuri> compile time
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[01:26] <shuri> Linux beta 2.4.23-pre7-c17f with grsec
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[01:34] <Bertl> @shuri and, looks good?
[01:34] <shuri> it work
[01:34] <shuri> but i got to learn how grsec work
[01:38] <Bertl> well, learn it fast 8-)
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[01:46] <Bertl> hi ken!
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[03:41] <Bertl> hmm, anybody interested in testing O(1) scheduler?
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[05:07] <Bertl> hi matt!
[05:14] <matta> hi
[05:14] <matta> must go, bye
[05:15] <Bertl> short visit!
[05:23] <shuri> hehe
[05:34] <Bertl> @shuri and do you know how grsec works now?
[05:40] <shuri> not realy
[05:41] <shuri> if i enable it
[05:41] <shuri> with the gradm
[05:41] <shuri> i can diasable it
[05:41] <shuri> cant
[05:41] <shuri> and sverver do not work
[05:41] <Bertl> hmm, maybe the not disable is a feature ...
[05:41] <Bertl> but what is the issue with the vserver?
[05:42] <shuri> if i enable it i cannot switch on contex1
[05:42] <shuri> but i think is beacuse is not well configure
[05:43] <Bertl> are you able to switch to any context with chcontext ?
[05:43] <shuri> no
[05:43] <Bertl> then you probably lost the required capability ...
[05:44] <shuri> yes
[05:44] <shuri> but
[05:44] <shuri> if i now enable it
[05:44] <shuri> it work
[05:45] <shuri> so is the ACL stuff that cause that
[05:45] <Bertl> if you enable what?
[05:45] <shuri> grsec
[05:45] <shuri> # gradm -a
[05:45] <shuri> Password:
[05:45] <shuri> Could not open /proc/sys/kernel/grsecurity/acl
[05:45] <shuri> open: Permission denied
[05:45] <shuri> hehe
[05:46] <Bertl> hmm, what is gradm supposed to do?
[05:46] <shuri> the admin for grsec
[05:46] <Bertl> hmm, and when you enable what? this error happens?
[05:47] <shuri> Options:
[05:47] <shuri> -E, --enable Enable the grsecurity ACL system
[05:47] <shuri> -D, --disable Disable the grsecurity ACL system
[05:47] <shuri> -P, --passwd Create password for ACL administration
[05:47] <shuri> -R, --reload Reload the ACL system while in admin mod
[05:47] <shuri> i got not enough permission
[05:47] <Bertl> okay after -E you are doomed, right?
[05:47] <shuri> for vsrver
[05:47] <shuri> tarting the virtual server deb2
[05:47] <shuri> Server deb2 is not running
[05:47] <shuri> SIOCSIFADDR: Permission denied
[05:47] <shuri> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Permission denied
[05:47] <shuri> SIOCSIFNETMASK: Permission denied
[05:47] <Bertl> ACL == access control lists (for files?)
[05:48] <Bertl> hmm, this is network permissions ...
[05:48] <shuri> nha
[05:49] <Bertl> the messages you copied are all network specific ...
[05:49] <shuri> beta:~# gradm -E
[05:49] <shuri> beta:~# vserver-stat
[05:49] <shuri> vserver-stat: unable to switch in context security #1
[05:50] <shuri> and if i what to disable grsec
[05:50] <shuri> beta:~# gradm -D
[05:50] <shuri> Password:
[05:50] <shuri> Could not open /proc/sys/kernel/grsecurity/acl
[05:50] <shuri> open: Permission denied
[05:50] <shuri> hehe
[05:50] <shuri> i cannot
[05:50] <Bertl> okay that I understood ...
[05:50] <Bertl> check if /proc/sys/kernel/grsecurity/acl exists and what are the permissions?
[05:51] <Bertl> ls -la /proc/sys/kernel/grsecurity/acl /proc/sys/kernel/grsecurity
[05:51] <shuri> and about vserver-stat: unable to switch in context security #1?
[05:51] <Bertl> wait ... 1 step after the other ...
[05:52] <shuri> ls -la /proc/sys/kernel/grsecurity/acl /proc/sys/kernel/grsecurity
[05:52] <shuri> -rw------- 1 root root 0 Oct 11 19:14 /proc/sys/kernel/grsecurity/acl
[05:52] <shuri> but
[05:52] <shuri> if i enable grsec
[05:52] <shuri> it disaper
[05:53] <Bertl> ahh okay .. that _is_ a hint ...
[05:53] <Bertl> let me have a look at the code ... 1 minute
[05:53] <shuri> no
[05:53] <shuri> it no disapere
[05:53] <shuri> but i connot acess it
[05:54] <shuri> i dont undernetsa why i cannot disable grsec
[05:54] <shuri> i do what i read on the doc
[05:55] <Bertl> hmm, maybe the patch (rediff) isn't perfect (grsec)
[05:55] <Bertl> could you try with the 2.4.22 and the 'original' grsec?
[05:55] <shuri> ok
[05:56] <shuri> go to recompile
[05:56] <shuri> got
[05:56] <Bertl> but let us make some tests with the context first ..
[05:56] <Bertl> [P] chcontext --ctx 100 ls
[05:56] <shuri> mc
[05:56] <shuri> beta:/usr/src# mv linux-2.4.22 linux-2.4.23
[05:56] <shuri> mv: cannot create directory `linux-2.4.23': Permission denied
[05:56] <shuri> dam
[05:56] <shuri> chcontext --ctx 100 ls
[05:56] <shuri> Can't set the new security context
[05:56] <shuri> : Operation not permitted
[05:57] <Bertl> [P] strace chcontext --ctx 100 ls
[05:57] <shuri> arff i cannot install strace
[05:57] <shuri> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/strace_4.4-1.2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[05:58] <shuri> error creating directory `./usr/share/doc/strace': Permission denied
[05:58] <shuri> dam
[05:58] <shuri> lol
[05:58] <Bertl> it's pretty secure ;)
[05:59] <shuri> server-stat
[05:59] <shuri> CTX PROC VSZ RSS userTIME sysTIME UPTIME NAME DESCRIPTION
[05:59] <shuri> 0 21 25MB 2kB m02.70 m10.75 m34.37 root server
[06:00] <Bertl> looks good ..
[06:00] <shuri> when i do not start gradm -E
[06:00] <Bertl> okay so the ACL enable screws up the system ...
[06:01] <shuri> -CAP_SYS_TTY_CONFIG
[06:01] <shuri> -CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE
[06:01] <shuri> -CAP_NET_RAW
[06:01] <shuri> -CAP_MKNOD
[06:01] <shuri> -CAP_SYS_ADMIN
[06:01] <shuri> -CAP_SYS_RAWIO
[06:01] <shuri> -CAP_SYS_MODULE
[06:01] <shuri> -CAP_SYS_PTRACE
[06:01] <shuri> -CAP_NET_ADMIN
[06:01] <shuri> -CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE
[06:01] <shuri> -CAP_SYS_CHROO
[06:02] <Bertl> okay check the acl stuff between 2.4.22-grsec and 2.4.23-grsec ... if this shows differences in behaviour, something _is_ wrong ...
[06:03] <Bertl> forget about the c17f for the moment ...
[06:04] <shuri> ok
[06:06] <shuri> well i will no do this tonigt
[06:06] <Bertl> no problem, do whenever you like ...
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[06:41] <shuri> Bertl you there
[06:41] <Bertl> yep!
[06:42] <shuri> i am running ctx18 pre1 from jaques and it work fine
[06:42] <shuri> why you do not work with this patch?
[06:42] <Bertl> because it introduces at least two buggy things ... and one new thing we do not know about ...
[06:43] <Bertl> the memory limits are implemented wrong ...
[06:43] <Bertl> the chsaferoot() we do not know about ...
[06:43] <shuri> we got to test to know :P
[06:44] <shuri> well vserver in vsevrer do not work
[06:44] <Bertl> it adds also two new syscalls, where we are trying to reduce the existing two to one ...
[06:44] <shuri> ok
[06:44] <Bertl> it is funny for experimental things ... and we probably will include the chsaferoot() soon ...
[06:45] <shuri> very funny lol
[06:45] <shuri> you are funny to
[06:45] <shuri> :)
[06:45] <Bertl> hmm, why's that?
[06:46] <shuri> juste kidding
[06:46] <Bertl> ah okay ... so I can take my red nose off now 8-)
[06:46] <shuri> no
[06:47] <shuri> New security context is 5
[06:47] <shuri> Kernel do not support chrootsafe(), using chroot()
[06:47] <shuri> usr/sbin/vserver: line 708: 6964 Illegal instruction $CHBIND_CMD $SILENT $IPOPT --bcast $IPROOTBCAST $CHCONTEXT_CMD $SILENT $FLAGS $CAPS --secure $CTXOPT $HOSTOPT $DOMAINOPT $SAVE_S_CONTEXT_CMD /var/run/vservers/$VSERVER.ctx $CAPCHROOT_CMD --suid $USERID $CHROOTOPT . "$@"
[06:47] <shuri> i try to enter a gentoo verver
[06:48] <Bertl> with c17f now?
[06:48] <shuri> yes
[06:49] <Bertl> hmm, what platform is this?
[06:49] <shuri> debian i386
[06:49] <Bertl> hmm, illegal instruction is funny ,...
[06:50] <Bertl> is this reproducible? 
[06:50] <shuri> ?
[06:50] <Bertl> can you repeat it?
[06:50] <shuri> yes
[06:51] <shuri> if i try to start the gentoo
[06:51] <shuri> Can't execute /etc/rc.d/rc (No such file or directory)
[06:51] <shuri> if i try to enter
[06:51] <shuri> i got the error
[06:52] <Bertl> hmm, illegal instruction means that one of the userspace programs is bad (or the syscall has some bad instruction)
[06:52] <Bertl> have a look at the syslog ...
[06:52] <Bertl> a kernel fault, should produce a stack trace ... (something like an oops)
[06:52] <shuri> nothing
[06:52] <shuri> tail -f /var/log/syslog
[06:52] <Bertl> okay then it's userspace ...
[06:53] <Bertl> lets check the tools ... one after the other ...
[06:53] <shuri> but it only do this with gentoo
[06:53] <shuri> gentoo vserver
[06:53] <Bertl> no, I assume it is some option in the conf file ...
[06:54] <shuri> i run debian vserver m redhat and suse without this error
[06:54] <Bertl> could you try to change those options a little ...
[06:54] <shuri> hot can i fix Can't execute /etc/rc.d/rc (No such file or directory)
[06:54] <shuri> fakeroot?
[06:54] <Bertl> modify .. /etc/vservers/<gentoo>.conf
[06:55] <shuri> yhaw i know
[06:55] <shuri> IPROOTDEV=
[06:55] <shuri> ONBOOT=yes
[06:55] <shuri> S_NICE=""
[06:55] <shuri> S_FLAGS="lock nproc"
[06:55] <shuri> ULIMIT="-H -u 256 -n 1024"
[06:55] <shuri> S_CAPS="CAP_NET_RAW
[06:55] <Bertl> a missing "?
[06:55] <shuri> no
[06:55] <shuri> cut and past isssue
[06:56] <Bertl> okay the other "working" servers?
[06:56] <shuri> yes
[06:56] <Bertl> how does the config file look for them?
[06:56] <shuri> is the same conf
[06:57] <Bertl> hmm, so maybe the fakeinit produces the illegal instruction?
[06:57] <Bertl> or whatever is started inside the server ...
[06:57] <shuri> Can't execute /etc/rc.d/rc (No such file or directory)
[06:57] <shuri> so it connot start
[06:57] <shuri> there is no rc in gentoo
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[06:58] <Bertl> hmm, I've read something about that on one of our docu wikis ...
[06:58] <Bertl> and somebody mentioned adapting something for gentoo ...
[06:59] <shuri> ok
[06:59] <Bertl> ln -s runlevel/ /etc/init.d
[06:59] <shuri> not working
[06:59] <shuri> i tried it
[07:00] <Bertl> From: Jesper FA <424242424242424242@j-f.dk>
[07:00] <Bertl> look for this mail ...
[07:01] <Bertl> Message-Id: <200309191443.59674.424242424242424242@j-f.dk>
[07:01] <Bertl> it has a modified vserver script to start gentoo servers ...
[07:02] <shuri> got it
[07:32] <Bertl> and, does it work?
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[11:25] <JonB> pruuuh
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[16:17] <serving-> Hi all :)
[16:17] <serving-> v_sshd and other scripts are part of what package ?
[16:22] <serving-> how can I get them and if I have the already ;) then where are they :))
[16:25] <serving-> nm
[16:25] <serving-> they are in /etc/rc.d/init.d
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[17:37] <JonB> hey kloo
[17:55] <kloo> hi JonB.
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[20:08] <shadow> Hi all
[20:09] Nick change: Medivh -> _DasTier
[20:15] <matta> shadow
[20:15] <matta> big problem
[20:15] <matta> HUGE
[20:15] <matta> i really need your help
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[20:55] <Bertl> hi all!
[20:55] <shadow> Hi Herbert
[20:55] <Bertl> hi alex!
[20:56] <Bertl> I was thinking about the inodes without quota ops ...
[20:56] <Bertl> maybe this actually is some quota bug ...
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[21:03] <shadow> i want ask Matt add some debug lines to quotaops.h for show - what inodes not have quota ops.
[21:03] <Bertl> and? found anything?
[21:04] <shadow> yes.
[21:04] <Bertl> first all virtual filesystems like proc etc ...
[21:06] <shadow> but all calls quota drops first check - is quota init for that inode. excecpts this clear_inode function..
[21:08] <Bertl> well, what I think is that DQUOT_INIT is called somewhere ... and sets the S_QUOTA flag ... but the quota ops are either not present or removed later without resetting the S_QUOTA ...
[21:09] <shadow> quota_drop remove S_QUOTA...
[21:11] <Bertl> anybody interested in testing O(1) scheduler?
[21:11] <matta> for c17x ?
[21:11] <matta> yes, i would
[21:11] <Bertl> not yet, but 2.4.23-pre7 ;)
[21:11] <matta> oh
[21:11] <shadow> Bertl> You merge it part from Sam patchs ?
[21:11] <Bertl> well it's the base for a ctx version ...
[21:12] <Bertl> @shadow no, I merged andreas version ...
[21:12] <Bertl> basically the ingo scheduler ...
[21:12] <matta> life sucks sometimes
[21:13] <matta> i can't even comprehend how the server went from fine to this oddball error
[21:13] <Bertl> http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/patch-2.4.23-pre7-O1.diff.bz2
[21:13] <Bertl> if somebody is interested in testing ...
[21:13] <matta> i'm in a high stress situation right now.
[21:13] <shadow> what differnts between andreas and Sam patches for O(1) scheduler ?
[21:14] <Bertl> @shadow don't really know ... I was looking for a minimal solution, minimum changes outside the scheduler ...
[21:14] <Bertl> now I have the list_t, runque and bitops, and of course the scheduler ...
[21:17] <matta> shadow: any other ideas?
[21:17] <matta> isp says they will not be able to read the errno for me
[21:18] Action: shadow selebrate his birthday
[21:18] <matta> happy birthday!
[21:18] <Bertl> @shadow congrats!
[21:18] <shadow> thnx :)
[21:18] <matta> how old?
[21:18] <JonB> hey, it's mine tooo
[21:19] <shadow> 27 years old..
[21:19] <JonB> 29
[21:19] <Bertl> @jon congrats tooo! (the chances age good for this)
[21:19] <JonB> Bertl: the chances age good for this??????????????
[21:19] <shadow> JonB my selebrats for you.
[21:19] <JonB> shadow: thanks, and congratulations to you too
[21:22] <Bertl> two people celebrating on the same day ...
[21:23] <JonB> Bertl: yeah, whats the odds for that
[21:24] <Bertl> by 50 people you have a 97% chance ;)
[21:24] <shadow> not in same.. my 8 of October.. but selebrate with family in current..
[21:24] <JonB> Bertl: we arent 50 in here
[21:24] <JonB> shadow: cheater
[21:24] <Bertl> with 22 people already 50% ...
[21:24] <Bertl> it's something you would not expect ...
[21:25] <shadow> for that i return form sevastopol to taganrog for few days...
[21:25] <JonB> Bertl: true, i wouldnt
[21:25] <JonB> Bertl: how do you calculate it ?
[21:26] <JonB> i asume births are distribuated evenly arround the year
[21:26] <Bertl> probability/statistics ... you want a formula?
[21:26] <JonB> yeah
[21:26] <Bertl> with explanation?
[21:27] <JonB> Bertl: yes please
[21:27] <Bertl> okay .. assume you have n people ... 
[21:27] <Bertl> with different birthdays ...
[21:27] <Bertl> now the (n+1)th comes along ...
[21:28] <Bertl> the probablility for him/her to have a different birthday is (365-n)/365
[21:28] <Bertl> for N people those inverse probabilities multiply ...
[21:29] <Bertl> so you get 365 x 364 x ... (365-N) / 365^N
[21:29] <Bertl> and the probability for having the same birthday then is
[21:30] <Bertl> 1 - (365 p N)/365^N
[21:30] <JonB> what is p ?
[21:31] <Bertl> P^365_N == (365 p N) == (365 x 364 x ... (365 - N + 1) x (365 - N)
[21:31] <Bertl> the permutation ...
[21:31] <JonB> okay
[21:32] <Bertl> you could also calc 365!/(365-N)! ...
[21:32] <shadow> :)
[21:32] <Bertl> actually the (365-N) term is wrong *G* 
[21:32] <Bertl> (365 x 364 x ... (365 - N + 1) is right ...
[21:33] <Bertl> so for example for 50 people you get 1- 365!/316!/365^50
[21:34] <Bertl> which is ~ 97% ...
[21:35] <Bertl> hmm, confused?
[21:35] <JonB> Bertl: no
[21:35] <Bertl> ahh, good then ...
[21:35] <JonB> Bertl: your explination makes sense
[21:35] <JonB> though i havent calculated it myself
[21:36] <Bertl> if you have to estimate such probabilities you are almost always wrong  ;)
[21:37] <Bertl> unfortunately the same is valid for system failures ;)
[21:38] <JonB> hehe
[21:47] <Bertl> @alex but I'm going to use a mix of Sam's ctx17 port and your scheduler stuff ...
[21:48] <shadow> whell. i want to sleep.. 12 hours travel in bus.. it hard..
[21:48] <Bertl> @alex well then have a good night ... or whatever ;)
[21:49] <shadow> thanx :)
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[21:55] <Bertl> hi marc!
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[22:24] <matta> didn't rik say he was gonna release a better rmap in a few weeks?
[22:24] <matta> ..a few weeks ago
[22:37] <Bertl> @matt yeah, but it seems rik is very busy now ;)
[23:14] <matta> you played with xen at all?
[23:14] <matta> according to those guys you can run vserver on top of xen
[23:15] <Bertl> heard so .. but I don't see the advantage yet ...
[23:15] <Bertl> anyway, if they are interested in vservers I'm willing to help them keep those patches up to date ...
[23:27] <riel> matta: the -rmap code is still being tuned ;)
[23:27] <Bertl> hopefully not D-minor ;)
[23:28] <riel> (and to my luck, mcp is helping)
[23:28] <Bertl> @riel what did you promise him?
[23:28] <riel> whom ?
[23:29] <Bertl> mcp?
[23:29] <riel> I already gave him the first patch to test
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