[01:09] swtaylor (~staylor@63.253.67.33) joined #vserver. [01:16] swtaylor (~staylor@63.253.67.33) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:17] shadow (~umka@212.86.233.226) left irc: Quit: sleep [02:21] matta (~matta@pcp02730451pcs.potshe01.pa.comcast.net) joined #vserver. [02:21] he.. [02:21] what's this parisc feature? [02:24] that is an architecture, hi matt! [02:27] hi [02:27] hi Medivh! [02:27] i've been just wondering about something ... [02:28] was more like an accident as i started the ssh daemon with two diffo configurations twice [02:28] however, i got one sshd daemon bound to one single ipv4 address, and the second one to ::22 [02:28] can't really be? [02:28] hmm, this is output of lsof or what? [02:29] netstat -npl [02:29] ahh okay ... still there? [02:29] no vservers were started, just kernel patched with 1.00 [02:29] hmm, the sshd's are running now? [02:30] I mean you can recheck that output? [02:30] i got the machine shut down right now, ready to ship it to colocation facilities :/ [02:30] unfortunate ... [02:30] already packed up ... i can reproduce that in a few days though when the machine is online [02:30] maybe ... [02:31] but i thought this could be a problem as processes could bind to :: within a vserver also and thus occupy all ips on the box [02:31] okay, when you can reproduce, we have a closer look at it .. [02:31] has this been fixed yet btw? didn't play around with 1.00 or above right now to be honest [02:32] er, s/right now/yet/ [02:32] a general (0.0.0.0) bind inside a vserver should only 'get' the ip's assigned to it ... [02:33] well bind to "::" is ipv6 notation of 0.0.0.0 [02:33] ipv6 isn't handled in vserver yet ... so this is possible ... [02:34] ah okay ... any plans yet? ;) [02:34] I suggest to disable ipv6 entirely if you are concerned about security ... [02:35] well, problem is I know diddle of ipv6 ... and the other vserver network developers are not reachable at the moment ;) [02:35] i know quite some stuff about ipv6, but as i said, can't code C ... :/ if i can help out in any way with ipv6 knowledge, gladly [02:36] is there a 'need' to virtualize the ipv6 stuff in near future? [02:37] personally i'd really appreciate it, my company is already offering ipv6 connectivity to colo customers, and it'd be nice being able to offer v6 with vservers as well ... don't know if that's considered a need though :p [02:38] hmm, what is the releation between 'you' and 'your company' ? [02:38] i own it ;) [02:39] so if you are interested in ipv6 for vserver and want to help, we just have to find some time, yep? [02:40] guess so, if you'd be willing to implement it ;) i'd help as much as i can [02:40] do you think you can provide a test scenario and do some testing in a ipv6 environment? [02:41] unless the test environment would need large bandwidth, no problem [02:41] i could hook a test machine up on my office line, it's only 1 mbit though ... but it'd be best for testing as i'm local to the machine [02:41] in case of crashes etc., so i'll be able to take a look [02:42] well, in my opinion a local ipv6 network of 3-4 machines, with one vserver development/test machine is more than sufficient ... [02:42] no problem [02:42] i will just need to build the machine, but i got enough hardware sitting around ;) [02:43] okay, you are willing and able to do the 'userspace' testing and setup? [02:43] gladly [02:45] perfect ... actually I have the first patch for you to test ... [02:46] wtf, already? ;) [02:46] I said, I'm fast ;) [02:46] i will build the machine asap, might be Monday though as my mom is visiting over the weekend ;) [02:47] yeah indeed you are! ;) [02:47] would you prefer any special linux distro for the testing environment? [02:47] if not I would set up a Fedora Core 1 [02:48] I don't care, you have to do the testing ;) [02:48] ok, then Fedora Core 1 it is ;) [02:48] http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.4.23-rc1-vn0.04.diff [02:49] so now I guess I have to explain why this is available and what it actually does ... and how it could help you ... [02:49] well I'm working since some time, and especially since the last 4-5 days on a virtualization via some virtual network device ... [02:50] oh, that sounds nice [02:50] this is the first (cruel) hack to get this working, and I'm not sure it will work this way ... [02:50] (well actually it's the 4th ;) [02:51] but if it works this way, you get iptables and ipv6 for free ... [02:52] sounds great really ... how do i apply the patch though, doesn't look like that's the only patch i need? [02:54] ah, only the vnet code as i understand it? so i prolly need to apply on top of the current vserver devel? [02:54] well, it works as standalone, but it's better to use it ontop of the latest development vserver ... [02:54] okay ... this is gonna be fun ;-) [02:54] when do you think a test system can be ready? (means when do we start?) [02:55] tomorrow or monday [02:55] i'll try for tomorrow, but i'm not sure i can make it [02:55] your local time now is? [02:55] same as yours ;p almost 1am [02:56] okay, perfect, tomorrow means today then ... ;) [02:56] right ;) [02:57] tomorrow == after i get my ass out of bed :p [02:57] well, I won't be up until 2-3pm .. so there is plenty of time left ;) [02:58] will try my best to get it ready today [02:59] okay ... cu then ... have to leave now ... [03:00] okay, ttyl ;) [03:00] thanks for the help [03:00] Nick change: Bertl -> Bertl_oO [03:13] matta (~matta@pcp02730451pcs.potshe01.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet? [04:49] Nick change: Bertl_oO -> Bertl [04:56] I'm back ... if anybody cares ;) [04:57] I do! [04:57] :) [04:57] hi dan! [04:57] hi [04:58] any new info on matt's smp issues? [04:59] none :( [05:02] x-mas is coming, what do you wish for vserver ;) [05:04] heh [05:04] I wish I had more time, that's what I'd wish :) [05:06] hmm, along those lines, I'd like vserver to be easier to install :) [05:06] you have as much time as you take for yourself/whatever ... you just have to prioritize different ... [05:06] indeed [05:06] hmm, installation means the patching? [05:06] or the vserver creation and that stuff? [05:07] yeah, what patch does what and requires what userland tools [05:07] hmm, I guess this will become simpler in the near future ... [05:08] yeah, development always changes that [05:08] if everything works as expected, all the features will end up in a development/experimental patch set, which includes everything ... ;) [05:08] cool [05:09] that simplifies things [05:09] the split/one-patch releases I do now, show how it works ;) [05:10] yeah, good for development [05:23] i'm back! [05:23] hi! [05:24] bert, still playing ard with kernels [05:24] heheh [05:25] ard? [05:25] around [05:25] just a self made abreviation [05:25] btw, in make menuconfig, i excluded all of wan interface, eth1000, etc in network devices, many fs like udf, jfs, reiserf as well, will that break anything? [05:25] trying to make a slimmed down version that doesn't include stuff i dun need [05:26] well it's a good start ... [05:27] if you miss something later, you can recompile or add a module ... [05:27] but i get a lot of depmod unresolved symbols errors when i make install [05:27] wanpipe.o etc [05:28] starting to dislike rh's precompiled kernel, hmmm [05:28] well, obviously you didn't exclude everything from wan ... [05:28] uhh? [05:29] but don't worry, this only means that this module won't load ... [05:29] ahh ok [05:29] what you should make sure is, that everything 'required' to boot your kernel, still is there (and working) [05:29] it is [05:30] but i get quite cranky when i see error msgs [05:30] haha [05:30] currently you are booting with a initial ramdisk I assume ... [05:30] yup [05:30] in a second step, you can eliminate this one too ... [05:30] uh huh [05:31] you just have to figure out the drivers required to get / mounted and compile them into the kernel (not as modules) [05:31] uh huh [05:31] but as I said, second step ... ;) [05:32] ahh ok, i'll try [05:33] what kernel version is this now? [05:33] 23rc1 [05:33] but 20.20-7's the booted one now [05:34] btw bert, i'm connecting via lan to my adsl router, which handles the connection, does that mean i can exclude ppp, slip, etc as well? [05:35] yes, let me check something .. brb [05:38] http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/patch-2.4.23-kconfig.diff [05:39] what's that? [05:39] you can use this patch to 'memorize' you configuration within the kernel ... when the kernel is booted, you can extract the .config file used to build it from /proc/config.bz2 ... [05:40] I just rediffed it, last version was for 2.4.22 ... [05:40] how do i use it? [05:40] simple, you apply it like the vserver patches ... [05:41] then you select in the menuconfig that you want this feature, that's it ... [05:41] apply, and everytime i boot my kernel it'll throw /proc/config.bz2 and i'll be able to use it? [05:42] well, if you apply it, and select this feature, each kernel built, will contain the configuration as gz/bz2 in the proc file system ... [05:43] you can then do bzcat /proc/config.bz2 >.config to get your 'old' config ... [05:43] ahh, ok [05:44] this is some kind of book keeping ... if you compile your kernel with some features, you don't have to care about the config file ... [05:45] cool [05:45] there is something similar in 2.6 and I guess if they can agree on a way to do it, it will make it's way into 2.4 sooner or later ... [05:46] hmmm, okay [05:49] yesterday you said you would like to aid the vserver community (putting in your time and effort IIRC) [05:49] yes of cause. if you find me helpful in anyway [05:50] what do you do best? what do you like to do? [05:51] hmmm, do you need anyone to help with the site? [05:51] graphics, etc [05:51] in what way .. (by the way, the project always needs hands ..) [05:52] you are good a graphics? [05:52] i worked as a freelance graphics designer for some time [05:52] http://newz.gotdns.com/vserver/, i could help with the website as well [05:53] sounds good ... [05:53] yea sure [05:53] did you do anything with rendering, or are you interested in such things? [05:54] rendering? uhh? [05:54] hey, was just a question ;) [05:55] any experience with php? [05:56] yup [05:56] php, mysql, etc [05:56] but not generally a guru at it [05:56] IIRC, newz said that he can't modify the wiki we use, because his company contract doesn't allow it ... [05:57] something like, 'not allowed to work on content management systems' or such ... [05:57] ahhh, ok [05:58] i do not have experience with wiki, tried zope before, i'll take a look at it [05:58] maybe you could get in touch with him ... as I guess we will need some modifications in future ... [05:58] well, the wiki we use is a modified version of tavi ... [05:58] uh huh [05:59] it's pretty simple, but very efficient for the vserver project ... [06:00] everything will continue to be based on the current wiki system, all you need is a redesigned interface, etc? [06:00] well, you have seen the designs for the 'new' layout ... right? [06:01] yea, they look god [06:01] good [06:01] yes, I like them too ... [06:01] but we do not wan't to sacrifice functionality for style ;) [06:02] yea, most websites shouldn't [06:02] content is king ;) [06:02] so one thing that comes to my mind is, when we have that cool sidebar, how can we make this editable without too much efford ... [06:03] and I guess a simple solution would be to designate a special Wiki name for that sidebar, and make it simply a wiki too ... [06:04] will links will be on the side bar? i see that most important links are on the top navigation bar [06:04] or to be more precise a page of the same wiki ... [06:04] downloads, news, etc [06:05] if you look on the linux-vserver.org page, you should get a feeling for what will be on the sidebar ;) [06:08] i see the top bar covering the main categories of the site, could the sidebar be a dynamic sub category of the top bar? [06:08] like, when you click on documentation on the top bar, the side bar returns links like, introduction, faq, howtos etc [06:09] a possibility I didn't think of yet ... but at least the most important links should be reachable via the sidebar ... [06:10] hmmm, okay [06:11] i'll go download a copy of wiki, get myself familiarised with it, and see what i can do [06:11] just a moment, I provide the patches I applied ... ;) [06:12] btw, where is linux-vserver.org hosted? i do have a server with rackshack and the website could be hosted on it if it could alleviate some hosting costs [06:13] currently jack hosts this, but maybe we can arrange a mirror or something at a later time ... [06:13] ahh, ok [06:14] alex (shadow) asked me about mirror solutions, because he wants to establish one ... [06:15] public rsync mirror :) [06:15] jack's server is in canada, since i'm on rackshack a us mirror could be done [06:15] hmmm, ok [06:16] http://vserver.13thfloor.at/patch-tavi-0.23-bertl.diff [06:17] well rsync isn't a good idea for a database backed wiki ;) [06:17] uh huh [06:17] depends on what kind of database [06:18] mysql? [06:18] currently it's mysql .. yep [06:18] yeah, that won't work without an export/update log sort of thing [06:18] but it is simple with mysqldump/restore ... [06:19] yeah, a bit hard on the db if it's big [06:19] anyway, in a future version, maybe cvs or arch could be used to store the data ... [06:19] ok [06:19] twiki uses rcs to store the data [06:21] I use it at work [06:21] hmm, I have to agree, what I see looks good to me ;) [06:22] I like the idea of combining the wiki/bug reporting/cvs web interface [06:23] http://www.cvstrac.org/ [06:23] @zyong,dan I have no problem with a change of the wiki ... [06:23] heh yeah, I know what you mean [06:23] uh huh [06:23] hehe [06:23] I have existing systems too :) [06:24] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Sandbox/WebHome (this is impressive ..) [06:25] any negative experiences with twiki? [06:25] hmm [06:26] I've had some negative feedback from my consumers [06:26] mostly "I'd like it better if it looked like x" [06:26] but I haven't had any technical problems with it [06:26] oh, and a bunch of complaining it's too hard to learn [06:27] well I don't care about the, 'and where is the jumping paperclip people ...' [06:27] heh [06:28] the problem was the ratio between navigation screenspace vs. content was too high [06:28] but there's a simple fix to that, elimate choices :) [06:36] well, it's a lot more complicated than the tavi ... but it looks really powerful .. maybe we should analyze it a little and ask the community ... (or better the people contributing to this) ... [06:36] i'm downloading both [06:36] haha [06:37] I find content very easy to generate with twiki [06:37] in what language is TWiki written? [06:37] nice when the markup language doesn't get in the way [06:37] perl [06:38] ahh probably the reason why I didn't look at it further when I was choosing the wiki ;) [06:39] heh [06:39] I like perl [06:40] i like php [06:40] @dan, hmm, and you have some perl script, older than 2 month, which you still understand after a short glance ... [06:40] yup [06:41] I maintain a program for work thats written in perl [06:41] you must be good with perl then, I suppose ... [06:41] I'd like to think so :) [06:41] so you could do some modifications if we need them? [06:41] yes [06:42] well, good to know 8-) [06:43] I do know there are some really ugly perl programs out there :) [06:44] perl is for me like bash, you write it, you understand it ... a few weeks later, you have to ask yourself, why the heck did I do that, and how is it possible that it works? [06:44] heh [06:45] I try to keep anything more complicated in perl [06:45] as it's easier to handle complications simply [06:46] Topic changed on #vserver by Bertl!~herbert@MAIL.13thfloor.at: http://www.linux-vserver.org/ || stable 1.00, devel 1.1.3 [06:46] almost forgot ;) [06:46] heh [06:46] Topic changed on #vserver by Bertl!~herbert@MAIL.13thfloor.at: http://linux-vserver.org/ || latest stable 1.00, devel 1.1.3 [06:47] that's even better ... [06:49] serving (~serving@213.186.191.89) left #vserver. [07:47] okay, off to bed I go ... [07:48] wish you a good whatever ... [07:48] Nick change: Bertl -> Bertl_zZ [08:30] serving (~serving@213.186.191.89) joined #vserver. [09:11] sladen (paul@80.1.73.116) left irc: Ping timeout: 492 seconds [09:15] riel (~riel@riel.netop.oftc.net) got netsplit. [09:15] MrBawb (abob@sparky.dok.org) got netsplit. [09:15] mcp (~hightower@81.17.110.148) got netsplit. [09:15] say (~say@212.86.243.154) got netsplit. 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[09:51] say-out (~say@212.86.243.154) returned to #vserver. [09:51] say (~say@212.86.243.154) returned to #vserver. [09:51] [1]James (~James@68.96.180.27) returned to #vserver. [09:51] riel (~riel@riel.netop.oftc.net) returned to #vserver. [09:51] MrBawb (abob@sparky.dok.org) returned to #vserver. [09:51] <[1]James> eth0:0 [09:52] you could try util-vserver [09:53] http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/util-vserver [09:57] [1]James (~James@68.96.180.27) got netsplit. [09:57] say (~say@212.86.243.154) got netsplit. [09:57] say-out (~say@212.86.243.154) got netsplit. [09:57] zyong (zyong@bb-203-125-7-187.singnet.com.sg) got netsplit. [09:57] Medivh (ck@62.93.217.199) got netsplit. [09:57] gaertner (~gaertner@212.68.83.129) got netsplit. [09:57] Zoiah (Zoiah@81.17.52.139) got netsplit. [09:57] riel (~riel@riel.netop.oftc.net) got netsplit. [09:57] MrBawb (abob@sparky.dok.org) got netsplit. [09:57] mcp (~hightower@81.17.110.148) got netsplit. 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[10:05] <[1]James> sure, i have the first 2 cd's avliable [10:07] hm, I found a debian newvserver :) [10:07] <[1]James> I saw that mentioned on the wiki [10:09] <[1]James> should i destroy the vservers i have now? [10:09] heh [10:09] does vserver [name] enter work for you? [10:10] <[1]James> nope [10:10] what does it say? [10:11] <[1]James> [root@localhost network-scripts]# vserver vps04 enter [10:11] <[1]James> Can't set the ipv4 root (Invalid argument) [10:11] <[1]James> [root@localhost network-scripts]# [10:11] <[1]James> were back to that again :( [10:11] http://caperdu.homelinux.net:8000/archives/00000003.php [10:12] <[1]James> this looks like the sort of doc i was looking for :) [10:12] heh [10:16] <[1]James> still got an error with the newvserver step, gone before i can read it [10:16] hmm [10:16] you could run it under script [10:17] <[1]James> btw, is that your webpage? [10:17] nope [10:17] <[1]James> I was just going to mention that export TERM=vt100 looks far better for me [10:18] putty is better :) [10:18] <[1]James> i can feed newvserver from a text file? ( i use putty all night long) [10:18] I'm talking about /usr/bin/script [10:19] <[1]James> Thats a new one on me... reading man [10:21] <[1]James> ok, that got me the error. [10:21] <[1]James> ^[[8D ^[[5B^[[19DCan't open file /vservers/vps06/var/run/utmp (No such file or directory) [10:21] <[1]James> ^[[?1h^[=^[[H^[[18B^[[J^[[H^[[K [10:21] <[1]James> usr/sbin/newvserver: /vservers/vps06/etc/hosts: No such file or directory [10:22] hmm [10:22] create /vservers/vps06? :) [10:23] <[1]James> hmm, could be permissions... [10:23] <[1]James> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov 16 00:21 . [10:23] <[1]James> drwxr-xr-x 42 root root 4096 Nov 16 00:21 .. [10:23] <[1]James> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 169 Nov 14 23:54 vps01.sh [10:23] <[1]James> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2521 Nov 15 00:19 vps03.conf [10:23] <[1]James> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 169 Nov 15 00:19 vps03.sh [10:23] <[1]James> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2521 Nov 15 23:43 vps04.conf [10:23] <[1]James> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 169 Nov 15 23:43 vps04.sh [10:23] <[1]James> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2527 Nov 16 00:16 vps05.conf [10:23] <[1]James> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 169 Nov 16 00:16 vps05.sh [10:23] <[1]James> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2521 Nov 16 00:21 vps06.conf [10:23] <[1]James> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 169 Nov 16 00:21 vps06.sh [10:23] <[1]James> thats whats in /vserver/ [10:23] <[1]James> thats whats in /vservers/ [10:24] hm, what's in /etc/vserves? [10:24] <[1]James> sorry, that what i meant, /etc/vservers [10:25] so what's in /vservers? [10:26] <[1]James> [root@localhost vservers]# du -h --max-depth=1 [10:26] <[1]James> du: `./vps03/proc/5124/fd/4': No such file or directory [10:26] <[1]James> 8.0k ./vps03 [10:26] <[1]James> 8.0k ./vps04 [10:26] <[1]James> 8.0k ./vps05 [10:26] <[1]James> 8.0k ./vps06 [10:26] <[1]James> [root@localhost vservers]# ls -la [10:26] <[1]James> total 24 [10:26] <[1]James> d--------- 6 root root 4096 Nov 16 00:21 . [10:26] <[1]James> drwxr-xr-x 20 root root 4096 Nov 15 23:28 .. [10:26] <[1]James> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Nov 15 00:19 vps03 [10:26] <[1]James> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Nov 15 23:43 vps04 [10:26] <[1]James> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Nov 16 00:16 vps05 [10:26] <[1]James> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Nov 16 00:21 vps06 [10:26] <[1]James> all it created is: [10:26] <[1]James> [root@localhost vps03]# pwd [10:26] <[1]James> [root@localhost vps03]# ls [10:26] <[1]James> dev proc [10:27] hm [10:27] <[1]James> vservers/vps03 is the dir [10:27] <[1]James> I do appriciate you helping me out. BTW [10:28] yeah, looks like newvserver is broken for you :) [10:28] <[1]James> crapolla, so there is a mnual way to do it? [10:28] <[1]James> manual [10:28] hmm [10:29] yeah, you could install all the rpms you want by hand, I think rpm has a chroot option [10:30] http://www.linux-vserver.org/index.php?page=VirtualizeHowto [10:30] and then follow that [10:33] <[1]James> ok, ill give that a shot, (an angle i would not have thought of) [10:34] <[1]James> be back in a few mins [11:18] say_ (~say@212.86.243.154) joined #vserver. [11:18] say (~say@212.86.243.154) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:28] <[1]James> cool, got rsync figured out, waiting while it transfers. Thanks again MrBawb [11:29] linas (~linas@67.100.217.179) got netsplit. [11:29] kestrel (~athomas@202.139.83.4) got netsplit. [11:29] Bertl_zZ (~herbert@MAIL.13thfloor.at) got netsplit. [11:29] WSU_ (~WSU@205.244.47.254) got netsplit. [11:29] virtuoso (~shisha@195.131.114.115) got netsplit. [11:29] serving (~serving@213.186.191.89) got netsplit. [11:29] newz2000 (~admin@65.34.52.169) got netsplit. 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[12:57] <[1]James> night all [12:57] [1]James (~James@68.96.180.27) left irc: Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- :P [13:53] kestrel_ (~athomas@192.65.90.115) joined #vserver. [13:54] hi there [14:02] serving (~serving@213.186.191.89) left irc: Ping timeout: 492 seconds [15:11] Nick change: Bertl_zZ -> Bertl [15:11] hi all! [15:12] hello bert! [15:14] how are you? [15:14] great [15:14] but my mbr isn't [15:14] hmm, how so? [15:14] lilo and grub won't work [15:15] i tried switching to lilo from grub and it freezes at the L screen. tried going back to grub, booted from floppy, ran grub-install /dev/hdd and it gave me an endless loop of GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB. [15:15] why do i *always* run into problems with linux =) [15:16] hmm, best way to get grub back is to make a grub boot floppy ... [15:16] you know how` [15:16] s/`/?/ [15:17] bert, somehow kernel 23rc1 doesn't work for me [15:17] with grub, it stopped at boot time, giving a warning: no init found error [15:17] read up on google, found solutions recommending lilo [15:18] lilo and grub both wouldn't work [15:18] can only boot through fd0 [15:20] hmm, interesting ... well your lilo problem can probably be solved by specifying lba32 and removing/adding compact ... [15:21] tried lba32 didn't work [15:21] compact, hmm, i'll try now [15:21] ad grub: can you give me some urls pointing out that grub doesn't work with 2.4.23-rc1? [15:22] i don't think it's rc1 but my harddisk [15:22] it's the slave drive on my secondary ide [15:22] hdd [15:22] but somehow on my initial installation of RH it worked [15:23] I assume you got the kernel options wrong ... [15:23] lilo gave a warning about my hd not being the first hd [15:23] or maybe you forgot to compile essential filesystems into the kernel ... [15:24] if you reached 'warning: no init [15:24] found error [15:24] OH. i left out reiserf, jfs, udf and ufs [15:24] you already managed to boot the kernel, which then was unable to locate the necessary files ... [15:24] are your partitions one of them? [15:25] my partitions contain only ext3, devpt and proc [15:25] okay, can you put your .config somewhere on the net? [15:25] okay [15:25] and if possible try to have the exact lines available (of the boot error) ... [15:27] and reinstall grub ... it's much more flexible than lilo ... I know, because I was a big lilo fan, until I discovered the power of grub! ;) [15:27] even wrote software for lilo ;) [15:30] wow cool [15:36] http://69.57.155.28/.config [15:38] hmm, a bunch of ide controllers you have there *smile* [15:39] what was you filesystem ext3? [15:39] maybe changing this would help then ... # CONFIG_EXT3_FS is not set [15:40] yup [15:40] actually it would help a lot, I guess ;) [15:40] ide controllers? i don't know which one to disable so i guess i'll enable all [15:41] use lspci or cat /proc/pci .. to find yours ... [15:41] the crypto stuff is happy as modules ... [15:42] check lspci for the AGP bridge too ... [15:42] 00:04.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 06) [15:42] remove the ATM driver [15:43] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVidia / SGS Thomson (Joint Venture) Riva128 (rev 22) [15:43] well looks like we have a winner there ;) [15:43] CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX [15:44] do you have any additional ide controllers? not on board? [15:45] nope only one [15:45] what's 802.1, firewire? [15:45] disable the math emulation (unless you have a 386 without 387) [15:45] roger that [15:45] http://www.ieee802.org/1/ [15:46] http://www.skipstone.com/info.html [15:47] it might be that you get better performance if you enable the local APIC, but I would try this a little later ... [15:51] where's atm? i saw it just now [15:51] damn, i'm using make menuconfig. heheh [15:51] somewhere on wan ... [15:52] wan? i disabled the whole of wan [15:52] on network devices right? [15:52] yep below WAN ... there should be ATM ... [15:52] then Amateur Radio ... [15:53] what's that for? [15:53] what? ATM or Amateur Radio? [15:53] amatuer tradio [15:53] i disabled it [15:54] serving (~serving@213.186.191.20) joined #vserver. [15:54] you can connect via some amateur radio receiver ... this was quite popular before the network was invented ;) [15:55] dev/agpart, disabled all but nvidia. ide chipset, diasbled all but via ide [15:56] offed math emulation [15:56] amatuer radio as well [15:56] oned EXT3? [15:56] on menuconfig it's ext3 journaling file system support? [15:57] yes ... [15:57] NO WONDER! i did not intend to disable it. must have chose it by mistake [15:57] *trigger happy* =) [15:57] *peng* *peng* and the kernel is dead ... [15:57] heheh [15:58] do i need i20? [15:59] what's that? [15:59] i2o [15:59] ahh, okay ... not very likely ... [15:59] and what's with the intel/amd random number generator [16:00] hmm, what cpu do you have? [16:00] intel celeron [16:00] got it for $20 [16:01] doesn't include one IIRC, but it doesn't hurt if you enable it ... [16:01] hmmm okay [16:02] i'm surprised i still can't find atm [16:03] cat .config | grep ATM returns nothing [16:03] CONFIG_ATM_FORE200E_TX_RETRY=16 [16:03] CONFIG_ATM_FORE200E_DEBUG=0 [16:03] CONFIG_ATM_FORE200E=m [16:04] that's weird [16:04] i'll check again [16:04] maybe it's gone now ... [16:05] don't bother too much ... it's a module anyway ... [16:05]