[00:08] netrose (~john877@CC3-24.171.21.47.charter-stl.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [00:09] looks like 2.4 already has lvm in it [00:11] mhm, do you know linux-2.4.21-gid.tar.gz? [00:11] with that patch, you can limit an network interface to a group [00:12] maybe that can be used for multiple interfaces per vhost? [00:12] vserver even [00:12] you can already have multiple interfaces pr. vserver [00:12] you can just specify multiple ip/interfaces in a vserver config [00:12] i have 3 [00:12] lo, eth0 and eth1 [00:12] hm i didnt specify lo, its still tehre [00:12] lo needs not to be specified [00:12] its just there i suppose :) [00:13] Action: Tamama rebuilds kernel with lvm support :) [00:14] play time! [00:14] ;) [00:14] mhm i c [00:14] Tamama: and vservers ? [00:14] already have vserver running [00:14] but anyways, its a cool patch :D [00:14] kernel was already patched [00:14] yeah but vserver and lvm ? [00:14] yeah going to combine them [00:15] just to make sure the vserver doesnt use all my space really [00:15] Tamama: why not the quota system ? [00:15] i use vserver with lvm [00:15] no problem yet [00:15] (1.1.6) [00:15] Tamama: the quota system has an advantage [00:15] maharaja: me too [00:15] but [00:15] JonB: which is? [00:16] if you hardlink the identical files [00:16] you save even more space, and and and .... here comes the best part [00:16] IT IS ONLY CACHED ONCE [00:16] hm space is not really an issue for me [00:17] Tamama: what about memory space ? [00:17] memory is cheap [00:17] my board can use 8gig i think... [00:17] (ok, filling that all is not so cheap but..) [00:17] ;) [00:18] Tamama: well, bertl prefers the quota system [00:19] some people prefer windows, doesnt mean i need to use it :) [00:20] Tamama: true, but it would still be nice if someone tested the vserver-quota system [00:20] lol [00:20] Tamama: and if you are going to make LVM's anyway [00:20] why not just skip that and use the vserver-quota system ? [00:21] depends what you can do with it i suppose [00:22] limit disk usage [00:55] JonB (~jon@129.142.112.33) left irc: Quit: Client exiting [00:56] per vserver/ [01:25] [S]ushi`TV (Sushi@p50861CE5.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: [09:35] loger joined #vserver. [10:06] hm [10:44] Tamama (~bgbgbg@a62-216-20-152.adsl.cistron.nl) left irc: Quit: one little two little three little piggies OINK! OINK! OINK! [11:52] iceberg (~infowolfe@pcp04891550pcs.frnkmd01.md.comcast.net) joined #vserver. 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[16:46] micah (micah@micha.hampshire.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 500 seconds [16:51] glaaaagh! [16:52] oy ;) [17:08] micah (micah@micha.hampshire.edu) joined #vserver. [17:15] grsec1.9.13 and vs1.1.6 was a bit overkill [17:15] *rewriting* [17:15] hm? [17:16] micah_ (micah@micha.hampshire.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 485 seconds [18:13] ccooke (~ccooke@80.1.164.238) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [18:33] BobR (~georg@oglgogl.BMTP.akh-wien.ac.at) joined #vserver. [18:39] ccooke (~ccooke@80.1.164.238) joined #vserver. [18:54] Nick change: Bertl_zZ -> Bertl [18:55] hi all! [18:57] oy [18:57] done zzzzing [19:26] TamaPanda (~a@193.173.84.237) left irc: [19:38] grepmaster (~chatzilla@66-101-59-73.oplnk.net) joined #vserver. [19:38] morning gm! [19:38] morning bertl [19:40] hmm, was reading the irc history, why the hell did james install ctx-17c? [19:40] dunno... [19:40] scheisse, hde: lost interrupt times 1000 on my fileserver [19:41] netrose (~john877@CC3-24.171.21.47.charter-stl.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [20:00] hmm all fixed now [20:00] Nick change: grepmaster -> grepmaster-afk [21:11] bye [21:11] BobR (~georg@oglgogl.BMTP.akh-wien.ac.at) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:33] netrose (~john877@CC3-24.171.21.47.charter-stl.com) joined #vserver. [22:22] JonB (~jon@kg188.kollegiegaarden.dk) joined #vserver. [22:22] hi Jon! [22:25] hey Bertl [22:28] isnt it nice, my own ADSL is down, and the helpdesk closed 27 minutes ago :/ [22:28] cool ... [22:32] and i just moved most of my mail to that server [22:32] i guess i should find another solution [22:33] first time they are this much down [22:34] ADSL is nice when it works [22:34] netrose (~john877@CC3-24.171.21.47.charter-stl.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [22:34] and takes forever to fix when it breaks [22:34] yeah [22:34] when i finish my education i want 2 internet connections [22:35] :) [22:35] leased lines are more expensive, but they have a quicker repair time [22:35] might be worth considering [22:36] MUCH more expensive [22:36] i'd rather have 2 lines [22:36] nah, T1 loops are usually around $300/mo [22:36] depending on your area [22:36] my ADSL is like 50$ [22:36] yeah [22:37] that's 6 times [22:37] I'll just say you get what you pay for and leave it at that [22:38] and just last week i discussed with my friends whether or not to buy mailhosting somewhere in the outside and then pull it down using fetchmail [22:38] mrbawb: of course i do [22:38] and they all hosted their own [22:44] DOH, shutting down the WRONG ethernet interface is a baaaaad idea *grin* [23:09] micah_ (micah@micha.hampshire.edu) joined #vserver. [23:17] micah (micah@micha.hampshire.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 500 seconds [23:17] micah (micah@micha.hampshire.edu) joined #vserver. [23:18] please could everybody test the following script on as many vserver hosts as possible and report the result back to me? [23:18] http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/testme.sh [23:19] hmm, just about to setup another vserver :) [23:19] (has to be executed as root on the host, first bash virus I wrote ;) [23:19] Bertl: on the root server ? [23:19] jup ... [23:20] okay this sucks, galeon can not even show the file [23:22] made a link as testme.sh.txt .. for you ... [23:22] hmm [23:23] Bertl: you shouldnt, i just downloaded it and lessed it [23:23] I should make a pam_vserver like how pam_chroot works [23:23] @jon and, anything harmful *G* ... [23:24] Bertl: echo echo thats VERY bad [23:25] micah_ (micah@micha.hampshire.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 485 seconds [23:27] anyway, the fail-service part of the phone company told me why the ADSL didnt work... apparently i got a used number... and a bill from the last customer closed my line :( and they couldnt even fix it [23:27] *grr* [23:28] that's bad, but I guess you could test my script ;) [23:29] i cant download it from the vserver ?? [23:29] huh? [23:29] Connecting to vserver.13thfloor.at[209.135.140.107]:80... failed: Connection timed out. [23:30] hmm, not on my side ... [23:30] Bertl: i found the error [23:31] Bertl: mknod: `/tmp/x': Operation not permitted [23:31] yeah, that is expected ;) [23:32] if it works, it's a bug ;) [23:32] Bertl: how do you want it ? [23:32] preferred web, or email ... you can remove critical info ... [23:32] what is critial info ? [23:33] hmm, doesn't contain any with this verbosity level .. [23:34] oh, you mean i should post it to my webserver? [23:34] and not upload it to yours ? [23:34] whatever possible ;) [23:35] herbert@13thfloor.at ? [23:35] is fine ... [23:38] Bertl: hmm [23:38] Bertl: i have 2 ethernet cards in my vserver [23:38] one is my main line, and thats the one that is down, so it has no ip address attached [23:39] the other ethernet is to my dorms overloaded line [23:39] how ever [23:39] i can not vserver enter [23:39] Invalid IP number or host name: eth1 [23:39] chbind version 0.23.96 [23:39] chbind [ --silent ] [ --ip ip_num[/mask] ] [ --bcast broadcast ] command argument [23:39] but my test script works? [23:40] yes [23:40] the dorm ethernet is working [23:40] okay, your config for this server looks like? [23:40] IPROOT="eth0 eth1" [23:41] okay, that pretty much explains it ... [23:41] if eth0 or eth1 isn't up, you can't use it ... [23:41] well, eth0 is up [23:41] and so is eth1 [23:41] ifconfig shows both? [23:41] but it has no ip adress attached [23:41] yes [23:42] please provide the complete config and the output of ifconfig [23:42] web/email/dcc ... [23:44] sent [23:45] hmm, okay, can't work ... [23:46] you only specify eth0 and eth1, and this means ... get the IPs from eth0 and eth1 ... [23:46] but eth1 has no ip, so this has to fail ... [23:46] yes, for a startup, but why a vserver enter ? [23:47] you can skip this with the --nodev options [23:48] vserver --nodev mail enter ? [23:48] yup ... [23:49] got the mails yet ? [23:49] yup ... [23:49] thanks ... [23:49] that command still gives the same error [23:50] hmm, that should not happen ... I'll try to test/reproduce ... [23:50] when you've looked into that there was some advanced feature i was thinking about [23:51] maybe you could try vserver 0.28 or util-vserver 0.26 (or newer) ... [23:51] yes, what feature/enhancement? [23:51] 0.23.96-2 [23:51] i'll try the newer packages [23:52] okay, the idea is to allow movement of a "live" vserver to another computer [23:52] i was thinking along your ideas of using iptables to map port numbers to a vserver using a 192.168.x.y number [23:53] that got me thinking if iptables could delay the packages, maybe just for new tcp connections, and then move the "vserver" and reroute the packets to the new location [23:53] either by vserver stop [23:54] and having the files on NFS, and starting it on the other [23:54] but i would prefer that users/clients never noticed [23:54] so i would use iptables to delay the packets and hope that the server would be ready before the tcp timeout [23:55] do you think that would be possible? [23:55] you have to use some 'load balancer' to do this ... but I guess the newer LVS stuff could probably do that ... [23:55] LVS ? [23:55] Linux Virtual Server (now in 2.4.23) [23:56] the guys who don't link back to our page, although I wrote them some emails :( [23:56] okay [23:56] so they are doing the same as we are doing ? [23:56] nope ... [23:57] completely different approach ... [23:57] okay [23:57] N machines act as 'one' big server ... [23:57] hmm, and i can add and subtract machines from N as i like ? [23:58] but i dont want load balancing, i just want to move it to a different physical machine with no downtime [23:58] as long as your application can handle being on multiple servers [23:59] mrbawb: okay [23:59] load balancing will let you move short-term transactional applications no problem [23:59] ie: web [23:59] mail ? [23:59] mrbawb: ssh ? [23:59] sure [23:59] but [23:59] :) [23:59] current connections won't get moved [00:00] --- Fri Dec 5 2003