[00:08] mhepp (~mhepp@r72s22p13.home.nbox.cz) joined #vserver. [00:09] hi Cmaj! [00:13] hi bert im trying vs 1.20 on 2.4.22 my old kernel had the etx3 journal bug [00:14] mhepp (~mhepp@r72s22p13.home.nbox.cz) left irc: Quit: Tak ja padaaaaM [00:15] hmm, and the new has not? [00:15] hey did not have time to work on new hard drive in new installation :) [00:15] so im there now [00:17] but i keep having a bug when i compile about acpi and device.h if i remmeber but i dont use any power management or acpi :) [00:17] compile error? [00:17] yeas [00:17] past it.. [00:18] im tryning for the 3 time now newfresh from the archive :) i cant the comp is offline [00:19] hmm, probably a fault on your side ... [00:19] maybe i went to hard on the makefile so i did not touch nothing this time :) [00:19] yeas new corrupted ram could not do this [00:19] could it [00:22] i think its going well this time :) [00:24] netrose (~john877@CC3-24.171.21.47.charter-stl.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [00:30] yesas i got it it was me [00:30] system is 850 kb nice [00:32] iceberg (~infowolfe@pcp04891550pcs.frnkmd01.md.comcast.net) joined #vserver. [01:08] Nick change: click_ -> click [01:31] hi click! [02:02] shuri (~ipv6@cpu183.adsl.qc.bellglobal.com) left irc: Quit: ipv6 [02:06] JonB (~jon@129.142.112.33) left irc: Quit: Client exiting [02:18] netrose (~john877@CC3-24.171.21.47.charter-stl.com) joined #vserver. [02:36] Cmaj (Dreams@216.113.62.211) left irc: Quit: I LEAve but........ [02:39] iceberg (~infowolfe@pcp04891550pcs.frnkmd01.md.comcast.net) left #vserver. [02:44] Nick change: Bertl -> Bertl_zZ [03:40] kazsaa (~kazsaa@213.253.213.218) joined #vserver. [03:40] hi [03:41] im using vs1.20 [03:42] how to i mounting binfmt_misc? [03:50] ? [04:11] kazsaa (~kazsaa@213.253.213.218) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:16] netrose (~john877@CC3-24.171.21.47.charter-stl.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [05:14] James (~James@ip68-96-180-27.lv.lv.cox.net) joined #vserver. [05:17] allo all [05:39] cw (~cw@pD958DDD1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 485 seconds [06:08] netrose (~john877@CC3-24.171.21.47.charter-stl.com) joined #vserver. [07:23] Nick change: _Medivh -> Medivh [07:36] anyone home? [07:53] sannes (ace@sannes.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 483 seconds [07:57] sannes (~ace@sannes.org) joined #vserver. [08:07] maharaja (maharaja@ipax.tk) got netsplit. [08:07] grepmaster-afk (~chatzilla@66-101-59-73.oplnk.net) got netsplit. [08:07] Bertl_zZ (~herbert@MAIL.13thfloor.at) got netsplit. [08:07] ccooke (~ccooke@80.1.164.238) got netsplit. [08:07] Zoiah (Zoiah@matryoshka.zoiah.net) got netsplit. [08:07] MedivhWrk (ck@netops.multimedia-centrum.de) got netsplit. [08:07] MrBawb (abob@swordfish.drown.org) got netsplit. [08:08] Zoiah (Zoiah@matryoshka.zoiah.net) returned to #vserver. [08:08] MedivhWrk (ck@netops.multimedia-centrum.de) returned to #vserver. [08:08] MrBawb (abob@swordfish.drown.org) returned to #vserver. [08:08] ccooke (~ccooke@80.1.164.238) returned to #vserver. [08:08] Bertl_zZ (~herbert@MAIL.13thfloor.at) returned to #vserver. [08:08] grepmaster-afk (~chatzilla@66-101-59-73.oplnk.net) returned to #vserver. [08:08] maharaja (maharaja@ipax.tk) returned to #vserver. [08:13] serving (~serving@213.186.189.246) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:51] serving (~serving@213.186.189.246) joined #vserver. [12:21] asyd (~asyd@jazzland.debian-fr.org) joined #vserver. [12:21] howdy [12:21] howdy yourself [12:22] which patch I need to build a 2.4.23 kernel vserver compliant ? [12:22] have you checked 13thfloor.com? [12:22] only linux-vserver.org atm [12:24] http://www.13thfloor.at/vserver/project/ [12:24] sorry, its at, not com [12:24] ok [12:25] well, it's the same site than linux-vserver.org isn'it ? [12:25] no, [12:26] ah [12:26] they work together [12:26] I try to build with patch 2.4.23-vs but seem to be not enough [12:26] I need the ctx patch too isn'it ? but where i can found it for 2.4.23 ? [12:27] i dont think there is a ctx for 23 yet [12:27] ah [12:27] but im not an expert [12:27] here is how im doing it so far, though it hasent worked yet [12:27] i have some bugs on my vserver box (athlon biproc) [12:28] dunno if these bugs comes from vserver, but I saw sth about a SMP bug [12:28] wget http://www.13thfloor.at/vserver/s_release/v1.00/patch-2.4.22-vs1.00.diff [12:28] wget http://www.13thfloor.at/vserver/s_release/v1.00/split-2.4.22-vs1.00.tar.bz2 [12:28] wget ftp://ftp.solucorp.qc.ca/pub/vserver/kernel-2.4.22-vs1.00.tar.gz [12:28] tar -xvzf kernel-2.4.22-vs1.00.tar.gz [12:28] rm kernel-2.4.22-vs1.00.tar.gz [12:28] mv boot/* /boot/ [12:28] mv lib/* /lib/ [12:28] mv lib/modules/* /lib/modules/ [12:28] sorry, thats the 22 version, hold on [12:28] :) [12:28] that one works [12:28] well I'm running 2.4.22 atm [12:29] wget http://www.exactauctions.com/vserver/linux-2.4.23.tar.gz [12:29] wget http://www.exactauctions.com/vserver/patch-2.4.23-vs1.20.diff [12:29] wget http://www.exactauctions.com/vserver/split-2.4.23-vs1.20.tar.bz2 [12:29] wget http://www.exactauctions.com/vserver/patch-2.4.23-vs1.20-q0.12.diff [12:29] wget http://www.exactauctions.com/vserver/split-2.4.23-vs1.20-q0.12.tar.bz [12:29] tar -xvzf linux-2.4.23.tar.gz [12:29] cd linux-2.4.23 [12:29] cat ../patch-2.4.23-vs1.20.diff | patch -p1 [12:29] cat ../patch-2.4.23-vs1.20-q0.12.diff | patch -p1 [12:29] wget ftp://ftp.solucorp.qc.ca/pub/vserver/config-2.4.22 [12:29] (or cp /boot/config**** .config) [12:29] cp config-2.4.22 .config [12:29] make oldconfig [12:29] make menuconfig [12:29] (enable v0 fs quota under filesystems as *) [12:29] make dep [12:29] make bzImage [12:29] make modules [12:29] make install [12:29] make modules_install [12:30] i have not gottent the bugs out yet, but that might help yo start,.. exactauctions is my localserver, you can use it though [12:30] im trying for vs and quota oon 23 [12:30] hmm the second patch not work here [12:30] it ask which file to patch [12:31] ah sorry it's the split one [12:31] ah [12:32] hmm can you show me an ULIMIT line from your one of vserver ? [12:32] i dont have any running with quota yet [12:32] just vserver 1.0 [12:33] ok [12:34] ULIMIT="-HS -u 500" [13:11] sylvio (sylvio@imk32.mb.uni-magdeburg.de) joined #vserver. [13:13] thanks [13:17] I'm currently busy upgrading my -ctx17 machines to -vs1.20 [13:17] Anything I should be wary of? [13:18] dont know, i have not do=ne that yet [13:30] Ahh, ok. [13:32] serving (~serving@213.186.189.246) left irc: Ping timeout: 485 seconds [13:59] James (~James@ip68-96-180-27.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- [14:23] coo, a new stable is out :) [14:23] Morning. [14:26] hi [14:26] *lunch [15:05] Nick change: Bertl_zZ -> Bertl [15:05] short visit! [15:05] hi all! [15:05] @asyd what patch doesn't work for you? [15:11] okay, have to leave now, will be back in about 6 hours ... [15:12] Nick change: Bertl -> Bertl_oO [15:25] serving (~serving@213.186.190.146) joined #vserver. [15:52] Bertl_oO: the second [15:52] slipt-... [16:06] # uname -a [16:06] Linux kraftwerk 2.4.23-ow1-vs1.20 #1 Mon Dec 8 10:32:06 UTC 2003 i686 unknown [16:06] Yay. :) [16:06] Now to upgrade my tools. [16:07] ohh you have virtual server which works on 2.4.23 ? [16:10] The latest patch is for 2.4.23. :) [16:11] well, I didn't find the ctx patch for 2.4.23 [16:13] http://www.13thfloor.at/vserver/s_release/v1.20/patch-2.4.23-vs1.20.diff [16:13] well, afaik this patch is not sufficient [16:13] For what? [16:13] for vserver.. [16:14] I just tried to build a 2.4.23 kernel with only this patch, this morning [16:14] I had some error about UILIMIT or sth like that [16:21] you need: [16:21] ULIMIT="-HS -u 256 -n 1024" [16:21] or whatever [16:21] maharaja: my error is while building kernel [16:21] the curernt kernel handles this stuff in a different way [16:21] i c [16:22] well, i haven't had any problem [16:22] with 1.1.6 [16:22] ok [16:22] do you patch a vanilla kernel, or a modified one? [16:23] nop [16:30] Hmm, somewhere between 2.4.21-ctx17 and 2.4.23-vs1.20 I can no longer attach the same IP to different aliases? [16:31] This could also be my openwall patch though, but I doubt it. [16:35] Ahh, it doesn't work on the 2.4.23 either. [16:36] Bah. [16:36] ifconfig eth0:1 same.ip.as.host work on 2.4.20 but doesn't work on 2.4.23 [16:36] maybe you have forgotten an option ? [16:38] I'm using the same config. [16:40] Hmm, it does work if the IP is only attached to another alias. It only doesn't work if it's the same IP as the host system. [16:46] Ahh, hmm, never mind, it appears to be something else. [16:47] [S]ushi (Sushi@p50861EB8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #vserver. [16:47] <[S]ushi> hiho [16:56] Strange stuff. [16:57] kraftwerk:~# /sbin/ifconfig eth0:nevaljashka 62.152.177.89 netmask 255.255.255.224 broadcast 62.152.177.95 [16:57] SIOCSIFBRDADDR: Cannot assign requested address [16:57] SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address [16:57] kraftwerk:~# /sbin/ifconfig eth0:nevaljashka 62.152.177.89 netmask 255.255.255.224 [16:57] kraftwerk:~# [16:57] kraftwerk rulez ! [16:57] oups [16:57] :) [16:57] I have no clue why it's giving this message when I provide it with a broadcast address. [16:58] strange [16:58] Hmm, but it's not even setl. [16:58] Only if I change the IP to something that hasn't been assigned to the machine it'll be assigned. [17:01] If I give it an IP that's already assigned to the machine and a broadcast adres, it'll error. [17:01] If I give it an IP that's already assigned to the machine without a broadcast address, it doesn't give an error, but doesn't assign the IP. [17:02] If I give it an IP that's not yet assigned to the machine with or without the broadcast address it'll work fine. [17:02] This is with 2.4.23-ow1-vs1.20. This was not yet the case when I was 2.4.21-ctx17. [17:03] Any kernel people awake yet? [17:05] Hmm... [17:09] *bangs his head against the wall* [17:25] hmm [17:25] what's the latest well-tested patch? [17:27] vs1.20 is the latest official stable patch. [17:27] how stable and tested is it? [17:27] I need to update the kernels on my live webservers... [17:28] Well, I'm testing it myself atm but I'm running into some other problems before I can really test it. :) [17:33] Ahh. [17:34] Ignore my network troubles above. It appears you can only use the same IP on two aliases (or alias and primary interface) if they have a different netmask. [17:34] I was accidently doing this, which made me think it was working before. [17:39] hmm [17:39] two aliases? [17:39] you're trying to bring up the same IP twice? [17:43] damn. there's never anyone here when you need them :-) [17:43] [S]ushi (Sushi@p50861EB8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: [17:47] :) [17:47] Yes. [17:50] I wanted to use the same IP for the host system as the vserver. [17:53] um [17:53] on an alias? [17:53] you know that's impossible, right? [17:54] I mean, either you give the vserver the root IP (eth0), and live with the fact that any services on the vserver will conflict with those on the host... [17:54] or you try to bring up an IP twice on the machine, which is broken [17:56] Well, it is possible, if I use a different netmask for both. [17:56] I tried to give the vserver the root IP, but this is impossible. [17:58] no, it's not [17:59] it might be that the vserver utils don't *let* you [18:00] No, it's not possible. [18:00] Even with ifconfig. :) [18:00] kraftwerk:~# ifconfig eth0:1 62.152.177.88 netmask 255.255.255.224 broadcast 62.152.177.95 [18:00] kraftwerk:~# ifconfig eth0:2 62.152.177.88 netmask 255.255.255.224 broadcast 62.152.177.95 [18:00] SIOCSIFBRDADDR: Cannot assign requested address [18:00] SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address [18:00] See? :) [18:01] Um. that's silly. [18:01] you're trying to create two aliases with the same address -which doesn't make sense [18:02] It does for my purpose. [18:02] What if I wanted two vservers to use the same IP? [18:02] um. Just use one alias? [18:02] You can't. [18:02] The alias is named after the vserver name. [18:03] yes, you can. As I said, possibly the vserver utils won't let [18:03] hmm... [18:03] besides: [18:03] Oh well, it works now. :) [18:03] adversaria root # ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.0.0 [18:03] adversaria root # ifconfig eth0:2 192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.0.0 [18:03] adversaria root # [18:03] :-) [18:03] That's odd. [18:03] uname -a ? [18:03] not at all [18:04] adversaria root # ifconfig [18:04] eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 08:00:46:97:7E:F0 [18:04] inet addr:192.168.1.49 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.0.0 [18:04] UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 [18:04] RX packets:120018 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 [18:04] TX packets:80148 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 [18:04] collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 [18:04] RX bytes:79058385 (75.3 Mb) TX bytes:7168068 (6.8 Mb) [18:04] Interrupt:9 Base address:0x2000 [18:04] eth0:1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 08:00:46:97:7E:F0 [18:04] inet addr:192.168.2.1 Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.0.0 [18:04] UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 [18:04] RX packets:120018 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 [18:04] TX packets:80148 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 [18:04] collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 [18:04] RX bytes:79058385 (75.3 Mb) TX bytes:7168068 (6.8 Mb) [18:04] Interrupt:9 Base address:0x2000 [18:04] lo Link encap:Local Loopback [18:04] inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 [18:04] UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 [18:04] RX packets:48 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 [18:04] TX packets:48 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 [18:04] eth0:2 isn't set. :) [18:04] collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 [18:04] RX bytes:5156 (5.0 Kb) TX bytes:5156 (5.0 Kb) [18:04] adversaria root # [18:04] note the missing 2? [18:05] silently ignored [18:05] yep [18:05] But if you provide it with a broadcast address it's wont be silent. [18:05] indeed [18:05] This is strange. [18:06] now, then [18:06] how are you going to work with multiple IPs that are the same? [18:06] I mean, that's a configuration *nightmare* [18:06] Well, I wasn't planning to run any services on the root vserver, only ssh. [18:07] right? [18:07] and how will you make packets get to the correct interface? [18:07] (and, what if you bring up ssh on the vserver?) [18:07] you're getting into undefined kernel behaviour, there [18:08] Well, I've already had this working for 3 months, because I acidently used the wrong netmask for the vserver. [18:08] Which was the reason I didn't run into this before. [18:08] I had ssh on the root server on port 2222. [18:09] right [18:09] (I use 422 and 522 :-) [18:09] :) [18:09] I'm not saying it won't work, I'm just saying it sounds like a really bad decision for a production server [18:10] your logging will be screwed, iptables won't work correctly... [18:10] (it'll *work*, mind) [18:11] I know it's sick/wrong/etc. I just never ran into it and thought it was a bug. :) [18:12] But it's not, so never mind. :) [18:12] :-) [18:18] ahhh, *finally* [18:18] ipvs has moved into the kernel [18:18] that means I have one fewer patch to apply [18:19] :) [18:19] ipvs rulez [18:19] it's not bad [18:19] ccooke: have you ever tried the layer 7 tool ? [18:20] ok [18:20] plus I'd need time to *really* test it [18:20] same.. I use only layer 4 atm [18:20] but work perfectly here [19:05] Ah, yes [19:06] must remember to make sure I have the zaurus support added to this kerner :-) [19:06] that'll be nice - plug the USB cable into any server and get a network, instantly [19:06] hehe [19:21] considering that the palmtop is, basically, a tiny laptop that runs linux, and I have it with me all the time... [19:25] JonB (~jon@129.142.112.33) joined #vserver. [21:01] sylvio (sylvio@imk32.mb.uni-magdeburg.de) left irc: [21:17] Tyrann (~tyrann@dsl-082-082-070-037.arcor-ip.net) joined #vserver. [21:19] is there a pack avaible to set a limit on the traffic of a vserver ??? [21:20] you can limit using a rate limiter on the vserver's IP [21:20] can you say ma a rate limiter ? that would be great of you :) [21:21] http://lartc.org/howto/ has documentation on it [21:21] Tyrann: that doesnt make sense [21:22] why not ? [21:22] Tyrann: you asked if i could say "ma a rate limiter" [21:22] specifically, you want 9. Queueing Disciplines for Bandwidth Management [21:22] how hard can it be to say that [21:22] oh sry for my bad english [21:22] or just skip ahead to 15.9. Rate limiting a single host or netmask [21:24] mhepp (~mhepp@r72s22p13.home.nbox.cz) joined #vserver. [21:24] Tyrann: you might want to use iptables and a static NAT to a 192.168.x.y address if you dont have a distrinct ip address pr. vserver [21:25] maharaja (maharaja@ipax.tk) got netsplit. [21:25] grepmaster-afk (~chatzilla@66-101-59-73.oplnk.net) got netsplit. [21:25] ccooke (~ccooke@80.1.164.238) got netsplit. [21:25] Bertl_oO (~herbert@MAIL.13thfloor.at) got netsplit. [21:25] MrBawb (abob@swordfish.drown.org) got netsplit. [21:25] MedivhWrk (ck@netops.multimedia-centrum.de) got netsplit. [21:25] Zoiah (Zoiah@matryoshka.zoiah.net) got netsplit. [21:25] Zoiah (Zoiah@matryoshka.zoiah.net) returned to #vserver. [21:25] MedivhWrk (ck@netops.multimedia-centrum.de) returned to #vserver. [21:25] MrBawb (abob@swordfish.drown.org) returned to #vserver. [21:25] ccooke (~ccooke@80.1.164.238) returned to #vserver. [21:25] Bertl_oO (~herbert@MAIL.13thfloor.at) returned to #vserver. [21:25] grepmaster-afk (~chatzilla@66-101-59-73.oplnk.net) returned to #vserver. [21:25] maharaja (maharaja@ipax.tk) returned to #vserver. [21:26] k thx guys u helped me a lot :) [21:30] maharaja (maharaja@ipax.tk) got netsplit. [21:30] grepmaster-afk (~chatzilla@66-101-59-73.oplnk.net) got netsplit. [21:30] ccooke (~ccooke@80.1.164.238) got netsplit. [21:30] Bertl_oO (~herbert@MAIL.13thfloor.at) got netsplit. [21:30] MrBawb (abob@swordfish.drown.org) got netsplit. [21:30] MedivhWrk (ck@netops.multimedia-centrum.de) got netsplit. [21:30] Zoiah (Zoiah@matryoshka.zoiah.net) got netsplit. [21:30] Zoiah (Zoiah@matryoshka.zoiah.net) returned to #vserver. [21:30] MedivhWrk (ck@netops.multimedia-centrum.de) returned to #vserver. [21:30] MrBawb (abob@swordfish.drown.org) returned to #vserver. [21:30] ccooke (~ccooke@80.1.164.238) returned to #vserver. [21:30] Bertl_oO (~herbert@MAIL.13thfloor.at) returned to #vserver. [21:30] grepmaster-afk (~chatzilla@66-101-59-73.oplnk.net) returned to #vserver. [21:30] maharaja (maharaja@ipax.tk) returned to #vserver. [22:25] Nick change: Bertl_oO -> Bertl [22:26] hi all! [22:29] hey Bertl [22:49] hi [22:49] hi dan! hi jon! [22:51] 'lo all [22:52] hi Zoiah! [22:54] 2.4.23-vs1.20 seems to work just swell for me. :) [22:55] 2.4.23-vs1.20 + openwall1 even. [22:56] sounds good, any test reports on the list are welcome ... [23:13] [S]ushi (Sushi@pD9FF8B2D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #vserver. [23:13] <[S]ushi> hi [23:13] hi nemo! [23:14] <[S]ushi> :P [23:14] <[S]ushi> fish go m00! [23:14] that's strange for a fish [23:14] :) [23:15] tx erik! [23:15] mmmmm sushi [23:15] *grin* [23:16] are you ready for the next devel release? [23:16] or am I too fast ... [23:21] probably ... :( [23:21] who me ? [23:22] well, actually everyone ;) [23:30] bertl: 1.2 out? [23:30] Action: click just finished grsec1.9.13+vs1.1.6 [23:30] hmm, let me see on the web page ... [23:31] monako (~monako@ts1-a22.Perm.dial.rol.ru) joined #vserver. [23:31] yup ... 5 Dec: [VServer 1.2] released (Herbert). [23:31] okie, downloading and making a proper diff [23:31] well, should not be too hard, there is a delta from 1.1.6 to 1.20 too .. [23:32] but click, it seems the grsec patching is actually done twice or trice ... or so ... [23:32] hi monako! [23:33] hi [23:33] bertl: any other stuff you want me to have a go at, except the s380/390 (not able to use that system right now, not at the office) [23:34] well, platform/arch tests are always welcome, as they are rare ... [23:34] yes a new debian release would be nice [23:34] so acheck of the quota stuff (for the stable) would be great on s380/s390 ... [23:35] @Tyrann hehe ... [23:36] @click you can use my handcrafted bash virus to test the s380 vserver stuff ... http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/testme.sh(.txt) [23:36] monako (~monako@ts1-a22.Perm.dial.rol.ru) left #vserver (×ÓÅÍ ÐÏËÁ ... good bye all ...). [23:50] morning [23:50] hi! [23:50] <[S]ushi> evening! [23:51] hi guys [23:51] the days are shorter now 8-) [23:52] longer for us, those crazy hemispheres! [23:52] so your toilet water is flushing counter clockwise, right? [23:52] <[S]ushi> :P Pretty cold and dark outside... just some lights of the "Lichterketten" [23:52] <[S]ushi> löl, Bertl [23:52] heheh [23:53] our toilet flushes straight down :( [23:53] stoopid toilet [23:53] <[S]ushi> whats Lichterkette in english? ^^ [23:54] do not underestimate the coriolis force, at school it destroyed one of our stairs ... [23:54] google says that lichterkette is "Candlelight demonstration" [23:54] oh? how come ? [23:55] do they sing as well sushi? [23:55] maybe 'lighted garland' ... [23:55] <[S]ushi> normally our lichterketten dont sing.... yours? [23:56] i just thought it might have been like night time carolling...singing christmas carols [23:57] nope actually lichterkette is a long wire with some colorful lamps every now and then ... [23:57] <[S]ushi> no.. i mean the artificial candles for example on a chrsitmas tree :P [23:57] ah [23:57] heheh [23:57] google is way off :) [23:57] nope he isn't ... [23:57] hahaha [23:58] lichterkette could also be a candlelight demonstration ... [23:58] ah [23:58] <[S]ushi> gonna ask my nondigital dictionary [23:58] interesting [23:58] brb, shower [23:59] <[S]ushi> ah... fairy lights or chain of lights... :P [00:00] --- Tue Dec 9 2003