[00:11] serving (~serving@213.186.189.88) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:31] tanjix (ViRu_@c-180-204-230.n.dial.de.ignite.net) joined #vserver. [00:31] hi tanjix! [00:31] heyas Bertl! [00:36] maybe some could give a hint: my vservers dont start on a host reboot - but the start scripts are there [00:36] by default you use the vserver runlevel script to autostart the vserver ... [00:37] /etc/rc2.d/S89vservers [00:38] tried it at rl3? [00:38] nope i will do [00:40] rl2 sounds a little early to be trying to start vservers up [00:41] rl3 also not working [00:41] host is up but not the vservers [00:42] stop - it only took a while..working now :) [00:43] =0) [00:43] but it did not start all vservers [00:44] ON_BOOT=yes is present [00:52] which vservers where started? [01:07] serving (~serving@213.186.189.88) joined #vserver. [01:11] kestrel (~athomas@dialup51.optus.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 512 seconds [01:17] who you mean with "which" ? [01:17] what [01:18] you said: but it did not start _all_ vservers [01:18] so I suppose _some_ did start ... [01:20] yes some did - but not all [01:42] riel: Are you here? [01:42] The question was, is there a rmap15k patch against 2.4.23 ( + xfs) [01:46] tanjix1 (ViRu_@c-180-204-230.n.dial.de.ignite.net) joined #vserver. [01:46] tanjix (ViRu_@c-180-204-230.n.dial.de.ignite.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:47] Nick change: tanjix1 -> tanjix [01:48] virtuoso: yes [01:49] I'm here [01:49] and no, I haven't gotten around to rmap + 2.4.23 yet ;( [01:49] Action: riel should do that tomorrow [01:49] riel: Ok. So I'll ask tomorrow. :) [02:01] tanjix1 (ViRu_@pD9049DFA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #vserver. [02:08] tanjix (ViRu_@c-180-204-230.n.dial.de.ignite.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [02:31] loger joined #vserver. [02:34] Bertl: Can you help me a liiiitle? :) [02:34] yup, what's up? [02:35] I need bottom 6-7 lines from unpatched include/net/route.h static inline int ip_route_connect... [02:35] vs1.22 doesn't cleanly apply against debian 2.4.23. [02:36] hum? debian? 2.4.23? what happened? [02:36] got released yesterday [02:36] gee, the end is nigh ... [02:36] Patch? [02:36] okay, is there a 'patchset' for debian 2.4.23 kernel? [02:37] 2.4.23-1 I assume? [02:37] sure, wait a moment [02:37] exiexit [02:37] damn [02:39] http://doener.homeip.net/patch-2.4.23-1.bz2 [02:43] hmm, interesting, they removed all the debian specific stuff ... [02:43] Doener`: I can't see vs1.22 inside this patch. :) [02:43] nope you have to wait a few minutes ;) [02:43] virtuoso, it's just for bertl so that he can create a patch for debian kernels ;) [02:45] Simple tell me what todo with include/net/route.h and I'll be completely happy. [02:46] i won't touch kernel sources too soon, i'd mess up everything :) [02:46] :) [02:46] sec [02:50] Nick change: tanjix1 -> tanjix [02:57] Hi all [02:57] hi serving, after a few month, back again! [02:57] ;) [02:57] Radek (~radek@gprs176-211.eurotel.cz) joined #vserver. [02:57] Hi Bertl :) I am always here. [02:58] hi Radek! [02:58] serving: well, everytime you client reconnects, I greet you ... ;) [02:58] hi Bertl [02:59] I saw that in logs and wanted to answer but you were zz [02:59] virtuoso: I'm compiling now .. you'll have the patches in a few minutes ... [02:59] I just booted with Linux freezfed.none.dom 2.4.23-vs1.22 #2 SMP Sun Dec 28 18:43:52 [02:59] cool, real SMP system? [02:59] My root host is fedora and my test vserver is rh9 [03:00] Bertl: just 2 cpus [03:00] what cpus? [03:00] CPUs [03:00] yeah, what kind? [03:00] Bertl: P3 733 [03:00] I'm curious, what people use for vserver ... [03:01] sure. np :) [03:02] I am using vserver-0.29-1.i386.rpm tools and the wesite says sometinmg about fix01 [03:02] wesite/website [03:02] kestrel (~athomas@dialup51.optus.net.au) joined #vserver. [03:03] Nick change: Doener` -> Doener [03:03] where/why should I use http://www.13thfloor.at/vserver/s_release/v1.22/patch-vserver-0.29-fix01.diff ? [03:04] well, 0.29 is a little immature (borked) ... [03:05] so if you do not want to use the 0.26 util-vserver tools, you should apply this patch ... [03:05] the .29 rpm on ftp://ftp.solucorp.qc.ca/ is broken ? [03:06] it doesn't support S_CONTEXT for example ;) [03:07] hmm. isn't he using the same sources ? [03:08] virtuoso: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/patch-2.4.23-1-vs1.22.diff [03:09] Bertl: Big thanks. [03:09] ur welcome [03:09] serving: what the same sources? [03:11] Bertl: I am confused a little here. http://www.13thfloor.at/vserver/s_release/v1.22/ has 2 tools util-vserver-0.26.tar.bz2 [03:11] and vserver-0.29.src.tar.gz [03:11] yup [03:12] and? [03:12] while ftp://ftp.solucorp.qc.ca/pub/vserver/ carries another set [03:12] yeah, vserver-0.29.src.tar.gz is identical with the one at solucorp (or should be) [03:12] I am using the tools from ftp://ftp.solucorp.qc.ca/pub/vserver/ are they based on the same development sources ? [03:13] ok . i c [03:13] but you should apply the patch ;) [03:13] or be prepared ... strange behaviour ahead ... [03:14] to avoid the long erros at vserver stop ? [03:14] I guess the newvserver tool is broken too, but I don't use linuxconf ... [03:14] what errors do you get at vserver stop? [03:15] I have a long list . is it ok if I paste them here ? [03:15] just paste it in private ... (to me) [03:16] serving (~serving@213.186.189.88) left irc: Excess Flood [03:16] serving (~serving@213.186.189.88) joined #vserver. [03:16] okay, that's enough info ... [03:16] ouch [03:16] is the vserver distro runlevel based? [03:17] how can I check ? [03:17] question: does anybody know what happened to the MultiviewsMatch Directive of apache? [03:17] serving: do you have /etc/rc* files? [03:18] in the vserver ... [03:18] inside the vserver . yes. it is rh9 [03:18] okay, look for S* files in /etc/rc6.d/ [03:19] actually those are links ... [03:20] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Dec 20 10:51 S00killall -> ../init.d/killall [03:20] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Dec 20 10:51 S01reboot -> ../init.d/halt [03:20] and just disable them ? [03:20] okay move the S01reboot into /tmp [03:21] I guess this is a FAQ, could anybody add it somewhere to the wiki ... [03:21] please, I forgot, please! [03:21] :) [03:21] I ll do it . Once I know what is it [03:22] ok. great . no more long errors . [03:23] explanation: [03:23] a 'normal' server does some stuff on shutdown, like saving the time to the hwclock, or storing random pool data ... [03:23] and finally invokes the reboot ... [03:23] some of those actions are just not allowed in a vserver [03:24] I am getting a clean shutdown except for the last few lines [03:24] so you get those errors, the scripts should be replaced by something more meaningful, or removed as you did ... [03:25] well the last two lines are perfectly okay ... [03:25] i c. thanx. Should I add this to the wiki faq section now ? [03:26] be so kind, many thanks in advance ... [03:26] no need . I am truly happy to do it . [03:26] but you are welcome anyway :) [03:29] Radek (~radek@gprs176-211.eurotel.cz) left irc: Ping timeout: 512 seconds [03:31] Radek (~radek@gprs176-211.eurotel.cz) joined #vserver. [03:32] Nick change: Radek -> Guest137 [03:34] hmm, Guest137, what do you think about vserver? [03:44] Simon (~sgarner@apollo.quattro.net.nz) joined #vserver. [03:45] hi Simon! [03:46] seasons greetings ;) [03:50] Bertl: I put it in http://www.linux-vserver.org/index.php?action=save&page=Linux-Vserver+FAQ Is this the right place ? [03:50] I guess so ... [03:50] thanks [03:50] :) [04:17] loger joined #vserver. [04:19] tanjix (ViRu_@pD9049DFA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: [04:38] hello there [04:39] hello!! [04:43] hey herbert [04:43] i trust you had a good christmas? [04:43] yes I had ... thanks, how about you? [05:06] my christmas was good [05:06] didn't get up to much, just the family thing [05:06] you? [05:08] family, and vserver ... fun for me ;) [05:11] tanjix (ViRu_@pD9049DFA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #vserver. [06:46] SG1 (~sgarner@apollo.quattro.net.nz) joined #vserver. 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[10:40] noel (~noel@pD9E09745.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 493 seconds [11:12] serving (~serving@213.186.189.78) left irc: Ping timeout: 512 seconds [11:12] MedivhWrk (ck@netops.multimedia-centrum.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 512 seconds [11:19] MedivhWrk (ck@netops.multimedia-centrum.de) joined #vserver. [13:14] serving (~serving@213.186.190.99) joined #vserver. [13:16] serving (~serving@213.186.190.99) left irc: Client Quit [13:16] serving (~serving@213.186.190.99) joined #vserver. [13:54] SG1 (~sgarner@apollo.quattro.net.nz) left irc: Quit: so long, and thanks for all the fish [14:26] Radek (~radek@gprs176-211.eurotel.cz) left irc: Ping timeout: 512 seconds [15:23] what vserver kind of support is there for UML ? Can I create a vserver inside UNL or is it the otherway around ? [15:24] AFAIK UML is just a user-process, so I'm sure you could do both. [15:38] Zoiah: true. on http://www.linux-vserver.org/index.php?page=Linux-Vserver+FAQ under requirements UML is mentioned . I wonder in what context ? [15:42] What do you mean? [15:42] It means you could run vserver in the uml "arch". [15:56] ensc (~ircensc@ultra.csn.tu-chemnitz.de) joined #vserver. [15:57] hello [16:25] Doener_aw (~doener@pD9E127D7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #vserver. [16:30] Doener_zZz (~doener@pD9E12AFE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 512 seconds [16:36] deadguy (deadguy@bananajoe.big.du.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 485 seconds [16:55] _Zoiah (Zoiah@matryoshka.zoiah.net) joined #vserver. [16:55] Zoiah (Zoiah@matryoshka.zoiah.net) got netsplit. [16:55] Medivh (ck@62.93.217.199) got netsplit. [16:55] virtuoso (~shisha@ip114-115.adsl.wplus.ru) got netsplit. [16:55] lp (~lpressl@interner.SerNet.DE) got netsplit. [16:55] Bertl_zZ (~herbert@MAIL.13thfloor.at) got netsplit. [16:55] Medivh (ck@62.93.217.199) returned to #vserver. [16:56] virtuoso (~shisha@ip114-115.adsl.wplus.ru) returned to #vserver. [17:01] Bertl_zZ (~herbert@MAIL.13thfloor.at) returned to #vserver. [17:06] Zoiah (Zoiah@matryoshka.zoiah.net) got lost in the net-split. [17:06] lp (~lpressl@interner.SerNet.DE) got lost in the net-split. [17:13] Radek (~radek@gprs176-211.eurotel.cz) joined #vserver. [17:14] Nick change: Radek -> Guest142 [18:22] Nick change: Bertl_zZ -> Bertl [18:22] hi everyone! [18:23] Enrico? still around? [18:23] still? again... [18:23] Guest142 (~radek@gprs176-211.eurotel.cz) left irc: Ping timeout: 512 seconds [18:23] yeah, wasn't sure you are 'still' here, saw your 'hello' two hours ago ;) [18:24] so how was your xmas? [18:24] Guest142 (~radek@gprs176-211.eurotel.cz) joined #vserver. [18:25] like every year... [18:25] very unproductive :( [18:26] hmm, no joy, no fun, with family and loved ones? [18:27] this is part of 'like every year...' [18:28] hmm, okay let me change the subject then ... [18:28] to something more productiove? linux-vserver! [18:28] regarding util-vserver I will try today/tommorow to release the new version, but Savannah is not up completely yet [18:29] I'm in the process of releasing 1.3.2 and I would be glad if you could add some stuff to the userspace ... [18:29] which new features/syscalls do you have there? [18:32] first, this version will exist for 2.4.23 and 2.4.23-ck1, with a little differing set of features ... [18:33] ck? [18:33] Con Kolivas patchset, which includes preemption, lowlat and O(1) [18:34] so we have the O(1) scheduling stuff, from Sam, which needs a userspace tool to tune ... [18:35] I copied the header/main files to http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/v*.[hc] [18:36] I'm not entirely convinced that the current interface for scheduler tuning is the best solution ;) [18:37] but it's a development release, so it should work at SYSTEST for now ... and will be changed as soon as we know how to integrate it ... [18:39] I would also like to remove the legacy /proc interface, in the next release, so the tools should move as soon as possible to a 'new' interface, which I would like to define with your help ... [18:39] (next release doesn't mean 1.3.2, it means 1.3.3 ;) [18:39] ok, it should be no problem to write a program which sets these four values [18:40] yeah, and please integrate the vkill somehow ... [18:40] it's in CVS [18:40] (if not done already) [18:41] good, then we have the context tagging stuff, is there a chance to get the chctx (chxid) and lsctx (lsxid) or something 'simpler' into util-vserver? [18:42] same question goes for integrating the quota and disk limit tools, into util-vserver ... they would also benefit from some vserver start script help ... [18:42] what are these tools are doing? Setting ownership of files with encoded ctx? [18:42] they are using two (three) IOCTLs to get/set the xid of a file/dir/etc ... [18:45] it would be nice to combine the get/set in a tool which is also able to do something like du, but per context or for one context only ... that would aid in setting the 'initial' disk limit values ... [18:48] I had some reports of vserver folks, not able to compile util-vserver on their distro .. but maybe that was an error between screen and chair ... [18:48] what is 'their distro'? [18:49] unfortunately I don't remember, but I have something like slackware or gentoo in my mind [18:51] never tried these ones, and without bugreports I can not fix it [18:51] and you should really, really add some identifier to the version, maybe an 'E' or something like that ... people still can't tell what tools they installed ;) [18:52] Action: ensc will not introduce alphanumeric version-numbers... [18:52] ad bugreports, you have to ask the folks, if it doesn't compile, most of them 'just' install an other package ... make an opinion poll, or ask them to report success/failure per distro ... [18:53] enrico, it would be sufficient, if the vserver script had some 'version' command, which says, this is vserver 0.xx by Enrico ... [18:53] when alpha branch becomes officially, differences between vserver and util-vserver will be significantly enough... [18:54] # vserver --version [18:54] vserver 0.26.194 -- manages the state of vservers [18:54] This program is part of util-vserver 0.26.194 [18:54] stable branch does not have this [18:54] okay, perfect ... [18:54] and it will work out of the box with an existing installation? [18:55] yes [18:55] good .. that was one of my major concerns ... [18:55] but some tools (e.g. vcopy) will be missing (at least at the beginning) [18:55] and other (vunify) will have a different behavior [18:56] okay, the most important feature (in my opinion) is the basic vserver creation ... [18:56] how will this work/look like? [18:56] will this work without apt-rpm? [18:56] will implement two methods: an apt-get based one (for RPM based distros) and a copy-from-skeleton one [18:57] okay, so the copy from skel will work without apt-rpm then? [18:57] yes [18:57] but you will have to create this skeleton [18:57] and could the host server be used as (or to build an) skeleton [18:57] ? [18:57] probably not... this method is not implemented yet ;) [18:58] I do not see a sense in copying from host server [18:58] hmm, that breaks some compatibility ... would newvserver still work? [18:58] there are too different requirements [18:58] no, newvserver will not work anymore [18:59] I agree, that there are different requirements, but when people first install vserver, they say (to themselves) okay, now the kernel is running, and I can change contexts, let's create a test vserver from the installed host, to see how it works ... [19:00] and don't want to download big images or hundreds of packages, to setup their skeleton, they _will_ do that lateron ... [19:05] I do not know if it is worth to spend time and energy in implementing such a live-vserver functionality. Perhaps this will be a new build method, but it does not have a high priority [19:06] okay, think a little about that, and a little more about the future proc interface contents .. I'll take a hot bath in the meantime ... [19:06] cu l8er .. [19:06] Nick change: Bertl -> Bertl_oO [19:23] Guest142 (~radek@gprs176-211.eurotel.cz) left irc: Ping timeout: 512 seconds [19:29] JonB (~Jon@0x503e03de.kjnxx7.adsl.tele.dk) joined #vserver. [19:30] Bertl_oO: presen t? [19:35] he's taking a bath ... [19:35] Nick change: Doener_aw -> Doener [19:37] okay, because i just wanted to talk with him about the remote reset unit at the webpage [20:02] JonB (~Jon@0x503e03de.kjnxx7.adsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 512 seconds [20:12] JonB (~Jon@0x503e03de.kjnxx7.adsl.tele.dk) joined #vserver. [20:28] JonB (~Jon@0x503e03de.kjnxx7.adsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 512 seconds [20:38] Nick change: Doener -> doener_aw [20:42] Nick change: Bertl_oO -> Bertl [20:42] ahh .. much better ... [20:52] loger joined #vserver. [21:07] netrose (~john877@CC3-24.171.21.47.charter-stl.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [21:36] enrico, did you get qemu working? or do you ahve any other means of testing vserver stuff? [21:37] Bertl: not yet; as said, I was not very productive over xmas [21:37] do you need some help there? [21:38] no, I know how to setup it [21:38] okay, because it shouldn't be more than a few minutes ;) [21:39] developing/implementing the testcases will be more work [21:39] (In another project, I developed one day and needed the next week for the testcases) [21:40] yeah, I agree with that ... [21:57] LL0rd (~dr@pD9507ED1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #vserver. [21:57] hi LL0rd! [22:06] Linux_Lord (~dr@pD9507EDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 512 seconds [22:42] JonB (~Jon@0x503e03de.kjnxx7.adsl.tele.dk) joined #vserver. [22:42] hey bertl [22:43] hi Jon! [22:43] you had some questions,r egarding the remote stuff? [22:44] Bertl: yes, thats why i came back. [22:44] let's hear ... [22:46] Bertl: i'm looking at your webpage [22:46] at the device [22:46] but what is the opto coupler ? [22:47] and what about the software part ? [22:47] hmm, let me look at the page myself ... [22:48] http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Remote-Reset/ [22:48] thank you ;) [22:49] PC817 PC827 PC847 [22:49] and obviously, I forgot to link the software ... [22:49] yeah, what about those ? [22:50] well, buy them, solder them, done ;) [22:50] did I miss something? [22:50] why cant i just buy one transitor where the switch line is connected to the comport, and then the other 2 legs are the reset switch ?' [22:51] because then your pc's will die a horrible death ... [22:51] oh :/ [22:51] permanent death ? [22:52] a) com port isn't good, because it operates at +/-12V without any reference voltage [22:52] are those pc8x7 a standard thingy ? [22:53] b) the chassis of your pc's will have a different potential than the mobo (which uses the reset) [22:53] yeah, I guess so, they are pretty standart here, so radio shak should have them ... [22:54] yeah well, i live in denmark, not usa [22:54] okay, so what do you ahve there? [22:54] we have no radio shack here either ;) [22:55] any electronic equippment/parts store ... [22:55] well, i was thinking of just going to my local electronics store, and tell them what i would like to do [22:55] and see what they can offer [22:55] yeah, basically any opto coupler at 5V will do ... [22:56] okay [22:56] the PC817 offers 1, the PC827 two and the PC847 4 couplers ... 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[23:06] http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ [23:13] Pony (~jonbendts@0x503e03de.kjnxx7.adsl.tele.dk) joined #vserver. [23:14] Pon yhi [23:14] hi [23:14] Pony (~jonbendts@0x503e03de.kjnxx7.adsl.tele.dk) left #vserver. [23:14] doh [23:14] I FUCKING MIS FOLLOW FOCUS [23:14] hehe ... [23:15] I always use focus on click, so I don't miss it ;) [23:16] kay [23:18] hmm, jediknight isnt me either :( [23:18] and gaim? [23:18] i'll get fink and X11 when i get home [23:18] check the screenshots first ;) [23:19] the screenshots of what ? [23:19] of gaim ... as a 'a man of wealth and taste' ... [23:20] before you end up installing a lot of packages just to find out that you do not like it ... [23:20] i will, but i couldnt find an osx package, and i think the source requires GTK [23:20] well, there is always xchat [23:22] or irssi [23:22] I love irssi ... [23:23] Irssi rocks! [23:23] :) [23:25] oh well, i'm off [23:25] ok cu .. 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