[00:00] in USD of course [00:00] that's a low amount of transfer for $100 [00:00] right MrBawb [00:00] eerr.. wait.. that's how muc they offer [00:00] lol i meant GB [00:00] oh [00:00] k thats a goodprice [00:00] then that's a good price :) [00:00] _ [00:00] they quote 750 [00:00] bit i get 1000 [00:00] you have 100mbit/s or lower? [00:01] prolly lower [00:01] ok i say to you now: Check out some other hoster [00:01] if i wanted some thing like that i'd be going for a much more enterprise ready solution [00:01] they are all like that unless you wann spend like $150/mo [00:01] or more [00:01] in the usa too, some hosters must be better [00:01] Sh[a]de: there are better hosters in the us :)) [00:01] no.. $99/mo is the average [00:01] ah, but we're more expensive than $150/mo [00:01] yea i think too MrBawb [00:02] i've only seen as low as $89/mo [00:02] for the equiv features [00:02] there are better hosters if you can afford it [00:02] hmm here in germany you can have a Housing location for lower as 40$ [00:02] with KVM [00:02] and some Gig incl [00:02] housing.. do you mean colocation? [00:02] yes [00:02] Action: johnny isn't doing colo [00:03] if i was doing colo.. i'd demand a KVM.. [00:03] but housing is only 1HE [00:03] 1HE? [00:03] size? [00:03] uhm in english [00:03] colo size == 1U [00:03] right [00:03] usually [00:03] we have ded. server too [00:03] about 60$ with kvm... [00:04] how much ram? [00:04] why the differents between german and us... [00:04] how big HD [00:04] how fast is the processor [00:04] i've got an 80 gig [00:04] it all AMD server [00:04] how fast though? [00:04] just sec [00:04] AMD XP 2000+, 256 MB Ram, 40 GB HDD [00:04] with 50gigs included [00:05] and real 100mbit [00:05] but i don't ad in here ;) [00:05] this is not a selling channel *G [00:06] i'd want 512... [00:06] AMD XP 2000+, 512 MB Ram, 40 GB HDD [00:06] and only 50 gigs? [00:06] with 300gigs included [00:06] about 99$ [00:06] you have a traffic joker [00:06] ;) [00:07] here in de we don't have a lot of traffic includet [00:07] i see [00:07] de = ger [00:07] i know [00:07] but i'm wondering about the politics of KVM's... [00:07] maybe thats the "Service Wüste" germany ,) [00:08] service desert ,) [00:09] KVMs cost money, thus they arn't included by those trying to go barebones :) [00:09] ok johnny... i have to go fix something in our company [00:10] i only can say this again and again [00:10] you should search for a new hoster ;) [00:10] Sh[a]de: will investigate the 0.29 fix issue ... [00:10] k [00:11] now we are "happy" with unpatched 0.29 [00:11] this should not the problem at this time.... i hope ;) [00:11] but i stay here [00:11] np [00:12] and thanks for your help [00:12] i hope i can do more for this project in future [00:12] but now i must go... [00:12] seya later folks [00:13] hmm... i need a damn vserver.. [00:16] this context based security and features seem very powerfull to me... maybe linux's security model should be developed against a security (context) id, and then user space asigns a context id for each user ... [00:16] johnny: as I said, if you want to get this working, you ahve to help a little ... [00:17] damjan: well SELinux uses a similar concept IIRC ... [00:18] well.. i think my best bet will be getting a KVM [00:18] although i may rent a vserver from Sh[a]de temporarily [00:18] since his prices seem to beat the others [00:19] damjan (~damjan@legolas.on.net.mk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:19] do you know of any others Bertl .. besides ones that are listed on the vserver wiki? [00:21] well, sure, there will be some more getting on that list too ... what exactly are you looking for? [00:27] hmm.. around 5GB of space... about 256mb ram...and some 50GB/mo for transfer [00:27] i just need something for a month or two to setup a project [00:27] nothing fance [00:27] it just needs to be internet accessible [00:27] and my cable provider won't let me run servers [00:27] and the only DSL available at my house is SDSL and T1 [00:28] hmm, and you are talking about one or more vservers? [00:28] well they DSL provider resells t1.. [00:28] two [00:28] well two domains [00:28] one vserver [00:28] hmm, and you where trying to configure a remote server you leased? [00:28] oh.. i was just gonna scrap that idea and rent one [00:29] or perform some sort of tradeoff to rent one .. [00:29] for the one i was trying to configure [00:29] i only needed 2 vservers as well [00:29] i have like an 80 gig drive on.. [00:29] on it.. [00:29] well, the one you where trying to configure, do you pay for it? [00:30] or was this just some testing setup? [00:31] yes [00:31] i pay the $99/mo i mentioned [00:31] i host 10 domains on it [00:31] mainly for my father's company [00:31] but i have a few domains i use for personal stuff [00:32] and you would like to convert that into a vserver? [00:32] nah [00:32] I mean a host for vservers? [00:32] yes [00:32] i wanted to move my domains.. and my devel testing stuff to a vserver [00:32] so i could run my own tweaked mailservers [00:32] in testing [00:32] with spam filtering and a bunch of other junk [00:32] hmm, okay so this doesn't cost you any additional money, right? [00:32] without messing up my father's stuff [00:33] you mean having them reboot it ? and move the grub config around ? [00:33] i really just need a devel envionment that's seperated from my hosting server [00:33] without paying for another server [00:33] well, the server, and that yes ... [00:34] server is just $99/mo flat [00:34] with all the specs i mentioned earlier [00:34] the tech support is rather quick.. [00:34] missed them ... was working ;) [00:34] that probelm i mentioned early is already fixed [00:34] when it died [00:34] they went back in and did what i said. [00:34] okay, how much would you pay for the vserver8s) for two months? [00:34] i'm sure it made it easier on them when i told them exactly how to fix .. [00:35] not sure ...i haven't seen the going price for them yet :) [00:35] the stuff i'm setting up for my father is more of a testing thing... [00:36] but i want a permanent home for my own domains and programs eventually [00:36] i'm trying to setup something like mtv.com.. but cool... [00:36] politics/music/news.. [00:36] im really into jabber [00:36] so i'd have a jabberd too [00:36] Action: johnny loves jabber [00:37] Action: WSU also loves jabber [00:37] well, if I help you with your installation, would you consider donating something (time/resources/money) to the vserver project? [00:40] okay, just let me know, have to leave now, will be bach in20-30mins ... [00:40] Nick change: Bertl -> Bertl_oO [00:48] Bertl_oO (~herbert@MAIL.13thfloor.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [01:33] Is anyone here using Simons vskel script? [01:33] It doesn't seem that his post_create change password script is working right for me. [01:39] WSU: yeah, I'm using it [01:39] Bertl_oO (~herbert@MAIL.13thfloor.at) joined #vserver. [01:40] Nick change: Bertl_oO -> Bertl [01:40] I think I used vserver .. enter to change the passwords anyway [01:40] welcome bach :) [01:41] ok [01:41] you are back Bertl? [01:41] I was hoping the random password script worked [01:42] Trying to keep everything as automated as possible. [01:42] WSU: hmm... that script is using --stdin as an option to passwd... my version of passwd doesn't support that [01:43] Nick change: Doener_aw -> Doener [01:43] ah, ok [01:43] Probably the same problem here. [01:43] i'll make a replacement for you, just a sec... [01:43] Cool. Thanks [01:43] will have to make it work with vskel... [01:47] johnny (~johnny@ip68-10-185-29.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:50] johnny (~johnny@ip68-10-185-29.hr.hr.cox.net) joined #vserver. [01:50] WSU: http://doener.homeip.net/passwd.pl could you try if this works for you? [01:52] my perl knowledge is very limited, but i since i only changed two strings i don't think i broke anything :) [01:52] s/but i/but/ [01:52] -k- [01:54] Worked great! [01:54] thanks [01:55] hrm [01:55] maybe I should update my copy of vskel [01:56] np [01:56] I have another fix for vskel if anyone is interested [01:57] yeah sure, you should publish that on the ml, and send it to simon ... [01:57] it chattr -R +it the global directory after a merge/split [01:57] hmm, well, yes that should go away anyway, chattr +t, wont work on the next stable release ... [01:58] Enrico, how is the status regarding the flag tools, etc? [01:58] well, there will be more changes to the script needed at that point [01:58] What flag are we going to use? [01:58] Enrico is doing a converter? [01:59] I had a look at 2.4 and 2.6 and it seems it will be something in the unused range (so chattr won't know about it ) [01:59] enrico is working on a recursive setattr tool ... [02:20] robjs (rob@212.69.243.51) joined #vserver. [02:21] hi robjs ! [02:22] Hello [02:26] hi Bertl ! [02:26] Bertl: LVM rocks :) [02:27] is this so?!, well this isn't the LVM channel ;) [02:27] LVM is very nice. [02:39] ;) [02:39] anybody tested the new vs1.23 stuff yet? [02:47] not me [02:47] what are the big changes? [02:47] enhanced security and stability regarding proc [02:50] just build a kernel [02:50] 2.4.24+1.23+LowLatency+I2C+LM_Sensors+LVM_Devicemapper [02:50] works so far. [02:52] good, lowlat? interesting ... where did you find that one? [03:05] http://www.zip.com.au/~akpm/linux/schedlat.html [03:05] the .23 has just one FAILED [03:05] very easy to fix [03:06] hmm interesting he updated them ... good, well I currently prefer the ck1 patchset ... [03:09] how do i stress test a server? when i do not have make/gcc/...? [03:13] do lots of encryption [03:13] any stress suites for this kind of action, maybe some benchmarks? [03:14] there's also plenty of benchmarking utilities out there [03:14] :(){ :|:&};: [03:15] ? [03:15] Bertl, what does that do to me? [03:15] having a good time? :) [03:15] well, it is a fork bomb ;) [03:15] looks like a bunch of smilies to me ;) [03:16] yeah, try it on your favourite server (with bash) [03:18] So what do I do, wait for my kernel to panic? [03:18] Doener (~doener@pD9E12FAD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:19] Looks like Doener must have type it in on his workstation ;) [03:19] I atleast was smart enough to do it on a test machine :) [03:20] and did you like it? [03:21] Doener (~doener@pD9E12FAD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #vserver. [03:21] So is there any way to view any output of it, or process load or anything? [03:21] welcome back [03:22] Want to explain the logic behind that to me? [03:22] no problem ... [03:22] you could also write it as [03:22] hm... i dislike power outtages... [03:23] fork(){fork|fork&) ; fork [03:23] work(){ work | work &}; work [03:23] hehe [03:23] :) [03:23] :) [03:23] mhm [03:23] evil [03:23] :) [03:24] well he was asking how to stree vserver, right? [03:24] s/stree/stress/ [03:24] true [03:24] currently, i'm trying nbench [03:24] though i do not know what the output means ;) [03:25] hehe, which patches? [03:25] I mean vserver version ... [03:26] no vserver, 2.4.24-ck1-smp [03:26] Ok, is there any way for me to protect against malicious users doing such a thing? [03:26] it was a generic question [03:27] WSU well yes, using nproc,sched and appropriate values, as well as using the O(1) scheduler with TBF from Sam (this is in 1.3.x-ck) [03:27] is seti a good benchmark? [03:30] n8 [03:30] good night ... cu [03:31] maharaja: it might be, depends on what you want to benchmark ;) [03:33] mhm, cpu/ram performance on one side, and system stability on the other [03:34] i'm too excited about my first smp machine ;) dual athlon mp 2800+ [03:35] well, you could test vs1.22 or vs1.3.5 stability with that machine ;) [03:35] vs1.23 I mean ;) [03:36] i can do that with my spare 800mhz server, but i want to keep the new server neat and clean [03:36] hmm, well you won't be able to test SMP stability on a UP, but ... [03:37] ok, thats true [03:37] hmm, by the way, what do you mean by clean? [03:38] if you are concerned about the 'current' installation, there are some ways to preserve it ;) [03:38] no programs/tools i do not need [03:38] tell me more about that:) [03:38] for example, on all my servers, there is a rescue partition ... [03:39] this is about 300MB in size and has all the tools required to hack on filesystems, LVM, raid etc ... [03:39] this is specially desinged for repairing and backup/restore ... [03:39] mhm, i was planning to add that too [03:39] if you have something like this, it is quite simple to make a backup of the whole system, and restore it later ... [03:40] can be done easily on ext2/3 with dump/restore ... even compressed on the fly ... [03:40] takes about 30min for a large system (4-5GB system) [03:41] well, if you tell me how to do that, i would be able to test for some days [03:41] at least if it keeps running on its on for most of the time ;) [03:41] it's quite simple, how does your current setup (sfdisk) look like ... [03:41] but i never used dump/restore/.. stuff [03:42] well dump/restore is trivial ... if that is all you need ;) [03:42] actually, i would need a neat rescue partition :> [03:42] my current setup is a 3gb root harddisk, no data yet, so 38gb to backup stuff to [03:42] yeah, I was expecting that ... for a start, show me your current sfdisk --dump output [03:43] no sfdisk installed [03:43] okay fdisk -l ? [03:43] mhm, ok, my error, sfdisk actually is there [03:43] # partition table of /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc [03:43] unit: sectors [03:43] # partition table of /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/disc [03:43] unit: sectors [03:43] mhm [03:44] damn mirc ;) [03:44] / / [03:44] red:/home/raoul/setiathome-3.08.i686-pc-linux-gnu# sfdisk --dump [03:44] # partition table of /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc [03:44] unit: sectors [03:44] # partition table of /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/disc [03:44] unit: sectors [03:44] !!! [03:44] red:/home/raoul/setiathome-3.08.i686-pc-linux-gnu# sfdisk --dump [03:44] # partition table of /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc [03:44] unit: sectors [03:44] ./dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 : start= 63, size= 6074145, Id=83, bootable [03:44] ./dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 : start= 6074208, size= 74219040, Id=fd [03:44] ./dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 : start= 0, size= 0, Id= 0 [03:45] ./dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part4 : start= 0, size= 0, Id= 0 [03:45] # partition table of /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/disc [03:45] unit: sectors [03:45] ./dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part1 : start= 63, size= 1959867, Id=82 [03:45] ./dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part2 : start= 3935925, size= 74220300, Id=fd [03:45] ./dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part3 : start= 1959930, size= 1975995, Id=83, bootable [03:45] ./dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part4 : start= 0, size= 0, Id= 0 [03:45] ok [03:45] sry [03:45] ;) [03:45] the main system is on ./dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 [03:47] the second is a mirror raid, right? [03:47] true [03:47] and you have about 3G for root? [03:48] yes [03:48] hmm disks have different sizes? [03:49] yes, i bought 1 maxtor and 1 seagate to avoid the problem "2 disks have crashed because of assambly/.." problem [03:49] hmm could you show me the output of: [03:50] hdparm -i /dev/discs/disc*/disc | grep sect [03:50] you use devfs, right? [03:50] red:/home/raoul/setiathome-3.08.i686-pc-linux-gnu# hdparm -i /dev/discs/disc*/disc | grep sect [03:50] CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=80293248 [03:50] CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=78165360 [03:50] yes, i do [03:51] you want a decent server setup for that machine? [03:51] sure [03:51] you are not afraid to repartition? do you have direct access to the machine? [03:51] i've got direct access [03:52] actually it is standing right beside me [03:52] how much data (you need to keep) is on that system? [03:52] nothing [03:52] i got all backed up [03:52] hmm, perfect ... [03:52] let me make a suggestion for the partitioning then ... [03:53] but first some questions regarding your paranoia/ the degree of stability you want to achieve ... [03:54] what do you want/expect the system to do, when one disk fails? [03:54] a) continue to work, withouever noticing it (except for a log entry) [03:55] b) get the system up and running in a few minutes ... [03:55] c) you don't care, but you want the data safe .. [03:55] ? [03:55] mhm [03:57] i want to notice that a disk failed so i can replace it, and the system should keep running as i would need time to buy the disk and get access to the server [03:57] so basically a + b [03:58] okay, the difference between a and b is, if you want that the system keeps running without noticing it, you have to put swap on raid 1 too ... [03:58] otherwise you can add swap on each disk, improving performance ... [03:58] so Bertl how could you help me? [03:58] (this would be the case b) [03:59] johnny: well, I could figure out, why your system isn't booting, and set it up properly ... [03:59] short back to say: gn8 all and thanks for help [04:00] night Sh[a]de! [04:00] i guess b would be better so i actually know that a disk failed, if a reboot will boot the system with 1/2 of the swap space and everything is running [04:01] yeah, but this means that the system fails (and probably reboots) when one disk fails, just wanted to let you know ... [04:01] task could break, if some part is swapped out to the failing disk ... [04:02] okay, was just an information ... [04:03] do you have any religious issues with LVM? [04:03] bertl: thank you! i never really thought about stuff like this. [04:03] Action: johnny wants to know how you'd figure it out [04:03] bertl: no, i'm using lvm [04:03] johnny: what does the kernel say? [04:04] johnny: well I'm very analytic and a little psychic ;) [04:04] nothing [04:04] the logs say absolutely nothin [04:04] maharaja: okay, so we go for speec (2xswap) over safety (swap on raid), right? [04:04] s/speec/speed/ [04:06] one last question: how big is the speed difference between 2xswap and swap on raid? [04:06] about a factor of 2.5-3 depending on use, but only if swap is actually used ... [04:08] mhm, thats a tough question.... [04:09] so how could i help you Bertl? [04:09] perhaps a bit of file mirroring ? [04:09] but i could change from/to raid as needed, i guess [04:09] maharaja: usually the difference between memory and disk is pretty huge, so factors of 10-50 are normal .. [04:10] then i go for raided swap [04:11] johnny: well, fasted way would be some remote access to that machine ... [04:11] i mean how could i help you if you help me [04:11] hmm, well as I said, time/resources/money for vserver ... [04:12] yes.. what kinda resources :) [04:12] Sirius_Black (kollege@p508EDE72.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [04:12] time is in short supply.. as is money (for the time being) [04:12] it has to be useful for everyone in the vserver community ... [04:13] it's quite simple, if I spend some of my time fixing one persons stuff, this time is missing for the community ... [04:13] i understand.. that's why i'm asking you specifically [04:13] so that person has to make up for that time in some way, ... [04:13] what are some options [04:13] you could write/update some howtos ... [04:14] you could maintain a linux-vserver mirror, and think about how to set it up ... [04:14] hmm.. who hosts your cvs ? [04:14] you could write a CoolTool(tm) to aid in vserver whatever ... [04:14] well i'd like to make it easier to work with gentoo [04:14] as gentoo is THE devel platform [04:15] johnny: lets not start some kind of distwar in here ;) [04:15] requiring cds just isn't a good solution imo [04:15] I have no problem with that, if you want to become the Gentoo vserver specialist ... go ahead [04:15] like the redhat vserver tools [04:15] err the ones that require rpms [04:15] Action: johnny is no friend to rpms [04:15] debian is alright... [04:15] apt-get is good tool [04:16] how much does the fedora thing use apt ? [04:16] apt-rpm works too, and Redhat, mandrake and suse are nice too ... [04:16] it's perfectly okay to have a favorite distro ... [04:16] yeah.. apt-rpm [04:16] and if you like we can play Iliads DistroWars ;) [04:16] cool [04:17] the thing i didn't like about rpms specifically (besides dependencies) is that you have to go somewhere to find stuff to install [04:17] i guess that was a few years ago though [04:18] probably ... getting an rpm from enricos util-vserver means doing rpm -bt util-vserver-0.27.tar [04:18] and what debian seems to lack is marking files as binary/config/etc ... [04:19] otherwise a port of the vunify would be straight ... [04:20] hm... what's that marking stuff? could you elaborate? guess i don't know what you mean, since i'm only used the debian systems... [04:21] RPM uses spec files, describing the build process, similar to debian [04:21] and contain a files section, specifying which files to add to which package ... [04:22]