[00:04] <noel> hello bertl.
[00:04] <noel> too many xchats.:)
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[00:08] <ozan> Bertl :  22:51:54 up 22:40,  1 user,  load average: 0.76, 0.60, 0.52
[00:08] <ozan> it is 1.24 .. works nice
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[00:16] <Bertl> ozan: great!
[00:16] <Bertl> i nox!
[00:16] <Bertl> I mean: hi nox!
[00:16] <JonB> ey bertl
[00:17] <Bertl> hi Jon!
[00:24] <nox> hi folks 
[00:24] <Sh[a]de> hi nox
[00:25] <nox> pre6 runns very well and stabile !
[00:25] <Bertl> vanilla or with vserver? ;)
[00:26] <nox> with ur patch ofcause
[00:27] <Bertl> ah good ... 
[00:27] <nox> had probs with 24-1.23 but without any reasonable cause
[00:28] <nox> just hang after 4-5h without any log
[00:28] <Sh[a]de> hehe
[00:28] <Sh[a]de> i had this prob too
[00:28] <Sh[a]de> but with 1.24 fixed
[00:28] <nox> i read (:
[00:28] <Bertl> yeah, I hope we 'really' fixed that with 1.24+ 2.4.25-pre6 ;)
[00:28] <Sh[a]de> killer running and running and running without prob.
[00:29] <nox> nice
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[00:41] <Sh[a]de> ensc: do I need the headers of 2.5 or is 2.4 also ok?
[00:41] <ensc> 2.4 is ok
[00:41] <Sh[a]de> ok
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[01:39] <Bertl> enrico, what do your tools need again from the procfs? and what can be replaced soon?
[01:40] <ensc> initpid, pid -> ctx mapping
[01:40] <Bertl> in the way it is currently done, or do they use the /proc/pid/vinfo too?
[01:41] <ensc> in 1.24 way (no vinfo)
[01:41] <Bertl> okay, what would you prefer, a syscall solution or some standartized 'new' proc, and what can be done in the next few days?
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[01:42] <ensc> syscall
[01:43] <Bertl> okay, when can we define this?
[01:44] <ensc> I want to bring alpha tools into beta state first. This should happen in this week
[01:44] <Bertl> hmm, the issue is: I would like to update the 2.6 patches, and I really do not want to introduce the required /proc info there ...
[01:45] <Bertl> you know, ugly hacks stay forever ...
[01:58] <Sh[a]de> ok ensc
[01:58] <Sh[a]de> can u tell me now what exactly i have to do
[01:59] <ensc> Sh[a]de: execute 'ac_cv_header_ext2fs_ext2fs_h=no ./configure ...'
[01:59] <nathan_> looks like it was a hardware problem
[01:59] <nathan_> i should have installed dell openmanage on the last one
[01:59] <nathan_> it is a bitch to get running though
[02:00] <Bertl> nathan_: what shall I say, congratulation!
[02:00] <nathan_> ah thank you, im happy.
[02:00] <nathan_> anyone want to buy a fishing pole? :)
[02:00] <Sh[a]de> ensc: ok without any errors
[02:00] <Sh[a]de> need the log?
[02:00] <Bertl> nathan_: how much?
[02:01] <ensc> Sh[a]de: why?
[02:01] <nathan_> i dont really have one :( 
[02:01] <Sh[a]de> ok no ;)
[02:01] <Bertl> nathan_: well, and I wouldn't buy/use one ;)
[02:01] <Sh[a]de> ensc: linuxconf must be installed, right?
[02:02] <ensc> Sh[a]de: no, only when you want newvserver (which is unmaintained and will be dropped soon)
[02:02] <Sh[a]de> ok thanks ensc
[02:05] <Sh[a]de> yiha!
[02:05] <Sh[a]de> installed
[02:06] <Sh[a]de> ensc: ok for this many thanks, can u tell me about the differents between vserver-0.29 and yours?
[02:06] <Sh[a]de> i see the /etc/vservers don't exist
[02:09] <ensc> there is not very much difference currently... but in this week (I hope) this will change. Then you will get a more secure and more powerful toolset. 'vunify' will work distribution independent (at your choice), rpm based distributions will have a working 'vrpm' and a cool 'vapt-get', you will have vserver specific fstab files
[02:09] <Sh[a]de> :) nice
[02:09] <Sh[a]de> and we can start with the php front end
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[02:11] <ensc> no problem; the 'vserver' tool will be the basic utility. To unify vservers, you say 'vserver xyz unify', to install a package, you say 'vserver xyz pkg install abc', to build a vserver with a specific ip/hostname/... you say 'vserver xyz build --interface ip --hostname ... ...'
[02:12] <Sh[a]de> ok copy that
[02:12] <ensc> copy is not implemented yet
[02:12] <Sh[a]de> no no sry
[02:12] <Sh[a]de> i mean ok
[02:12] <Sh[a]de> i have write it down ;)
[02:12] <Sh[a]de> grml i have to work on my english
[02:15] <Sh[a]de> hmm Bertl has right if he said your tools are "stable" and more advanced...
[02:15] <Sh[a]de> ok any way... we will se to bring up the next days (or weeks) a first public version of the php front end
[02:16] <Sh[a]de> for this day is say thanks to everybody
[02:16] <Sh[a]de> and see ya tomorrow
[02:16] <Sh[a]de> gn8 sleep well
[02:18] <ensc> Sh[a]de: please do not spent much work in it before seeing the new util-vserver (http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~ensc/util-vserver/alpha/); the configfile format has been changed significantly (to make it short: there does not exist /etc/vservers/*.conf anymore)
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[02:19] <Sh[a]de> ok good to know
[02:20] <Sh[a]de> but at this time we build up the default settings and a way to send all commands secure between vserver (shell) and php
[02:20] <Sh[a]de> but again thanks for this notice
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[02:21] <Sh[a]de> i will set up a new devel. for the new tools if it's available
[02:21] <Sh[a]de> and now i have to go sleep...
[02:21] <Sh[a]de> Bertl: gn8
[02:21] <Sh[a]de> ensc: good night
[02:22] <ensc> n8
[02:22] <Bertl> night!
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[02:54] <nox> good night all  
[02:54] <Bertl> night
[02:54] <nox> cu soon
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[10:08] <Bertl> morning everyone!
[10:10] <Bertl> ok .. have to do some work, will be back around 11:00
[10:10] Nick change: Bertl -> Bertl_oO
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[13:56] Nick change: Bertl_oO -> Bertl
[14:01] <Bertl> hi all!
[15:16] <kestrel> hello herbert
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[15:37] <Bertl> hi kestrel!
[15:39] Nick change: Bertl -> Bertl_oO
[15:41] <kestrel> oO
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[16:35] <Bertl> hmm, is 2.4.25-pre6 final?
[16:37] <surriel> Bertl: dunno
[16:37] <surriel> Bertl: I just ported to that because it was handy
[16:37] <Bertl> ah okay, ever tried to combine that with ck1?
[16:37] <Bertl> or will Con do that anyway?
[16:38] <surriel> I'm not going to do much active development of 2.4 any more
[16:39] <Bertl> I'm just asking because of the 2.4 memory limit possibility ;)
[16:46] <surriel> what do you mean by "memory limit possibility" ?
[16:46] <surriel> ulimit RSS enforcement ?
[16:46] <Bertl> yup
[16:48] <surriel> I'm going to port that to 2.6
[16:48] <Bertl> cool!
[16:48] <surriel> Pavel's going to test it ;)
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[17:17] <Sh[a]de> hi
[17:17] <Bertl> hi Sh[a]de!
[17:18] <Sh[a]de> i have some questions about enricos tools
[17:19] <Sh[a]de> while stop or start many warnings and/or erros
[17:19] <Sh[a]de> one of this:
[17:19] <Sh[a]de> Unmounting local filesystems... umount2: Operation not permitted
[17:19] <Sh[a]de> umount: /dev/hdv1: not mounted
[17:19] <Sh[a]de> umount: /: Illegal seek
[17:19] <Sh[a]de> done.
[17:19] <Sh[a]de> mount: permission denied
[17:19] <Sh[a]de> hardware clock is ok, thats not so bad
[17:20] <ensc> you have to deactivate most standard services
[17:20] <Bertl> well, looks like your system runlevel scripts ;)
[17:20] <Sh[a]de> k
[17:20] <Sh[a]de> sry for this questions but in jacks tools this was different ;)
[17:24] <ensc> strange... this part was never changed in the current tools...
[17:25] <Sh[a]de> well... if think jacks tools only starts the vserver
[17:25] <Sh[a]de> but in yours all services are start with the v
[17:26] <Sh[a]de> i also could be mistaken but i think its linke this ,)
[17:33] <click> tamtam tamtam, tamtam tamtamtam, tamtamtamtaaaaamtam, tamtamtamtam-tam!
[17:33] <Sh[a]de> ?
[17:33] <click> *humming on the pink panther theme*
[17:33] <Bertl> hmm, any special reason, inspector?
[17:34] <click> nah, just the moonphases that created a surge in the overflow of coachroaches in the sinus of the computer.
[17:34] <click> :)
[17:34] <click> just in a good mood, I guess.
[17:34] <click> :)
[17:34] <Bertl> keep it 8-)
[17:35] <Bertl> even spread it!
[17:37] <Sh[a]de> Sry it's "Offtopic" but nice: http://www.wwip.de/pipe.jpg
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[17:37] <vat> re.
[17:49] Action: click spreads his good mood to the channel!
[17:50] <Bertl> ahhh ... 
[17:50] <Bertl> hi vat!
[17:50] <click> pompom, back to fixing the ircd, yell if I'm needed :)
[17:51] <click> (hilighting works nicely)
[17:51] <vat> hi Bertl ;)
[17:58] <vat> click, let this don't see fiction ;)
[17:59] <vat> he will kill you because of RFC errors ;)
[17:59] <click> pft
[17:59] <click> as long as it works, I'm happy ;)
[18:00] <vat> ack.
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[18:41] <Sh[a]de> folks, one short question to util-vserver
[18:42] <Sh[a]de> is there a solution to copy another content when the v host?
[18:42] <Sh[a]de> like a base or something else
[18:43] <Zoiah> What exactly do you mean?
[18:43] <Sh[a]de> ok
[18:43] <Sh[a]de> let me explain this
[18:43] <Sh[a]de> i build up a php front end for vserver administration
[18:44] <Sh[a]de> and when i build (vserver VM3 build) a new server he uses files from host to create a new one
[18:44] <Sh[a]de> and i need a base (another content) for creation
[18:45] <Sh[a]de> like a vserver but this one is only for build new v's
[18:45] <Sh[a]de> i can not copy from host
[18:45] <Sh[a]de> i need a other souce ;)
[18:45] <Sh[a]de> understood?
[18:46] <ensc> Sh[a]de: recent tools are having 'vserver-copy'; in alpha tools this is not implemented yet
[18:47] <Sh[a]de> ok and with this one i have the possibility to copy it from a exist v?
[18:47] <Sh[a]de> i test it... brb and thank so far
[18:48] <Sh[a]de> +s
[18:50] <Sh[a]de> ok this was very helpful
[18:50] <Sh[a]de> see ya later
[18:50] <Bertl> cu
[18:56] <Sh[a]de> ensc: again me with a short question
[18:57] <Sh[a]de> can u tell me the syntax for vserver-copy
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[18:57] <Sh[a]de> over php i have this msg:
[18:57] <Sh[a]de> I: vserver-copy: called on wwipvm-dev01 at Tue Jan 20 17:58:08 CET 2004
[18:57] <Sh[a]de> E: vserver-copy: Second argument must be of the form "[host:]name" or "host:"
[18:57] <ensc> I never used ;)  but there should be a man-page
[18:58] <Sh[a]de> right ok i read it
[18:58] <Sh[a]de> thanks
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[19:57] <Bertl> hi say!
[19:57] <say> hi, Bertl!
[19:57] <Bertl> long time since your last visit!
[19:58] <Bertl> how is freevps?
[19:59] <say> oh, i was hard busy :(
[20:02] <Bertl> testing or developing, or something else?
[20:04] <say> first and second. we're developed virtual network driver, so now the network stacks in different vps are completely different
[20:04] <say> except some not so needed parts
[20:04] <Bertl> hey cool, can this be transplanted?
[20:04] <Bertl> I mean can we use that in linux-vserver too?
[20:05] <say> sorry, you must ask Alex about this 
[20:06] <Bertl> no problem, that wasn't a permission question, I mean, would it be hard to do it?
[20:07] <say> I think, not so hard, but there are some things that hardly relayed to RH kernel features.
[20:08] <Bertl> well, the network stack seems pretty similar to the 2.6 stuff, right?
[20:10] <say> yeah
[20:12] <Bertl> any of that new stuff non-free? or will this be released as freevps?
[20:40] <Bertl> hmm, okay, have to leave now, cu later ...
[20:40] Nick change: Bertl -> Bertl_oO
[20:41] <say> oh, sorry, i'm distracted
[20:41] <say> ops. i'm late:(
[20:41] <Bertl_oO> not too late ;)
[20:42] <say> so, i think all of freevps are free.
[20:42] <Bertl_oO> and the new stuff is for freevps, right?
[20:44] <say> hm. maybe i don't understand you.
[20:44] <say> can you explain your "stuff" in other words? :)
[20:46] <say> what sort of new stuff you mean?
[21:37] <say> ok. i'm going to dive into gdb-world :) cu later.
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[22:32] <kungfuftr> Bertl_oO: floating?
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