[00:03] do I need a CAP for traceroute ? [00:04] mstraceroute: sendto: Operation not permitted [00:07] _shuri (~shushushu@vserver.electronicbox.net) left irc: Quit: changing servers [00:10] arekm (misiek@ikar.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 501 seconds [00:12] arekm (misiek@ikar.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl) joined #vserver. [00:15] Nick change: cgone -> cdub [00:15] _shuri (~shushushu@vserver.electronicbox.net) joined #vserver. [00:33] wb [00:35] what could be wrong if a su - user results in No shell although cat /etc/passwd|grep user shows his shell is /bin/bash ? [00:35] Cyrix: root directory permissions [00:35] root = / [00:35] not /root [00:35] ah! [00:36] i don [00:36] that is probably also causing the mysql server to fail [00:36] 't understand [00:36] Action: miller7 hasn't followed the chat [00:36] I just tell you one common reason for not being able to su [00:36] please do a ls -l /vserver in the host machine [00:36] you mean the vserver-rootdir permission on the host-system or what ? [00:37] I am talking about the OS in where you try to "su" [00:38] i guess permissions of /vservers/xxx are set to 000, where xxx is the name of the vserver [00:38] not exactly they are on 700 for the user root [00:39] I think / should be 755 [00:39] ok [00:39] yepp [00:39] try chmoding it and the su again [00:39] and see if it works [00:40] i just guessed 000 cause some people chmodded /vservers/xxx to 000 instead of /vservers [00:40] btw, is the su for a normal user or something? or some user for a daemon? [00:41] miller - you were right [00:41] sure [00:41] nice to see it works for you now [00:41] Doener - no when you chmod 000 /vservers/xxx you cannot start the vserver xxx anymore [00:43] hm... /vservers is on 755 ... what would it change chmod'ing it to 000 ? wouldn't the same problem occur i just fixed thanks to miller ? [00:44] you should change /vservers to 000 now :) [00:44] and if you use a separate partition for /vservers then you should chmod it 000 AFTER you mount it [00:45] or else you might experience security issues [00:45] ok but don't be surprised if i disconnect rapidly from here ;) [00:45] I don't think you will :) [00:45] wow ... i'm still alive *gg* [00:46] Action: miller7 kills cyrix [00:46] not any mooooore [00:46] *argh* *g* [00:47] i see i have to become somewhat more familiar with vservers *sigh* [00:48] i'm still poisoned from uml :) [00:48] vserver is nice [00:48] you should play with it [00:48] i'd rather work with them ;) [00:50] but i'm already exited ... compiling works much better compared to uml [00:50] well, it does not emulate anything [00:51] so it's native speed [01:01] off to bed now [01:01] cya guys [01:02] miller7 (none@213.239.180.106) left #vserver. [01:05] gn8 everyone [01:06] ftp21 (~mree3@c-24-21-172-172.client.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 492 seconds [01:06] Nick change: noel- -> noel [01:06] Cyrix (~root@hmbg-d9ba83b4.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:17] serving (~serving@213.186.188.205) joined #vserver. [01:37] Nick change: Bertl_oO -> Bertl_zZz [01:43] lilo (levin@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net) joined #vserver. [02:10] Action: virtuoso trys to imagine some nasty way to utilize vservers on a developers' machine. [02:28] ftp21 (mree@c-67-160-157-145.client.comcast.net) joined #vserver. [03:03] its quit :-) [03:30] Hey, anyone alive [03:35] at least my eyes are still open ;) [03:36] I just got vserver running and I would like to create a vserver to see what it looks like.. is there a simple way to do this? [03:38] the vserver script has a create option and there used to be a newvserver script, but i don't now if current tools still contain those [03:38] i remember something on the ml that said they were gone in some version... but maybe that was just on the alpha branch [04:11] Nick change: cdub -> cgone [05:04] .oO(Debian people will love me for the new 'debootstrap' vserver-build method which works on Fedora hosts (at least)) [05:35] loger joined #vserver. [06:01] ensc: w00t? [06:01] ensc: debian on rh? [06:02] or rh on debian root-server? [06:02] first option [06:03] syntax is 'vserver test1 build -m debootstrap -- -d sarge' [06:04] but is not released yet [06:56] this is how i buld a vserver: export UTIL_VSERVER_AVOID_COPY=yes vserver myvserver build [06:56] that will create an empty tree with only the dev entries you need [06:56] then just copy over bin sbin var etc and usr form your current system. [06:56] and tailor etc for the new system. [06:57] yes, this is the '-m skeleton' method now [06:57] although i dont quitw do that anymore. [06:57] i use ro bind mounts form a template fs. [06:58] and mount them in the pre-start portion of the vserver startup script. [06:58] mounting is now done with an fstab file [06:58] was really easy to get a base slackware install running as a vserver. [06:59] ensc: it actually does real mounts now? [06:59] instead of the faked mtab? [06:59] yes, it writes a real 'mtab' file [07:05] i dont think id want to have anythign more complex in my fstab than /dev/hdv1 / ufs rw,usrquota,grpquota 1 1 the other things i do before the vserver starts i wouldnt really want to be visible. like teh read only --bind mounts to share most of the system binarys across vservers. unless your jsut talking about using fstab to create the mtab file instead of actually calling mount. [08:03] Frank00Polo (~emacha@4.13.67.211) joined #vserver. [08:16] Frank00Polo (~emacha@4.13.67.211) left irc: Quit: Frank00Polo [09:02] well so far so good. the 2.4.25-pre8 kernel seems to compile just fine with teh vserver patches under sparc64 gentoo linux. [09:02] just have to wiat for the modules to finish so i can se if it will actually boot and run vserver. [09:15] hey [09:47] mef (~mef@h-68-167-252-15.STTNWAHO.dynamic.covad.net) joined #vserver. [10:21] hmm seems the userland tools dont want to compile nice under sparc64. [10:24] Doener (~doener@pD9588B0A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #vserver. [10:37] Nick change: _Zoiah -> Zoiah [10:40] mef (~mef@h-68-167-252-15.STTNWAHO.dynamic.covad.net) left irc: [11:07] je (~je@hd5e25b7f.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [11:16] je (~je@hd5e25b7f.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) joined #vserver. [13:02] ftp21 (mree@c-67-160-157-145.client.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 492 seconds [13:07] miller7 (none@213.239.180.106) joined #vserver. [13:07] hi [13:09] 'lo [13:09] hey Zoiah [13:38] Bah, ipv6 confuses me. :) [13:53] Ahh, never mind, I was confusing ipv6. ;)_ [13:53] Maybe a temporary solution for ipv6 would be to disallow ctx>1 to create ipv6 sockets? Then you can safely use ipv6 on the machine in the root server, afaik. [14:07] minus273 (~minus273@orange.mnet.bg) joined #vserver. [14:07] hola, guyz [14:18] 'lo [14:33] talon: by the enter you enter the vserver context, you won't have the permission to bind stuff, so vservers/.../etc/mtab is just there to keep `mount' and the like happy [14:50] frz (~frz@213.235.213.90) joined #vserver. [15:03] hello [15:03] anybody knows how much IPs one vserver can handle? [15:03] is there an limit? [15:03] frz: I believe it was limited to 16 or something. [15:04] frz: not sure about that, but I think I read something about that sometime. :) [15:05] Nick change: Bertl_zZz -> Bertl [15:06] hi everyone! [15:06] have something like 16 also in mind, but doesnt know really ;) THX [15:06] hi [15:06] I'm sure Bertl knows this. ;) [15:06] current limit is 16 IPs ... [15:07] or if the reported findings are correct 15 on some versions ;) [15:07] (which would be a bug, but hasn't been verified yet) [15:08] frz: hi, and how many IPs would you need? [15:08] Bertl: i have the machien all set up for you. [15:08] ;) we set up vservers for webhosting and i was told that we will need for each SSL Zert one IP [15:09] Bertl: Maybe a temporary solution for ipv6 would be to disallow ctx>1 to create ipv6 sockets? Then you can safely use ipv6 on the machine in the root server, afaik. [15:09] i even got the 2.4.25-pre8 kernel to compile with the patch. however i couldnt test it because the util-vserver package doesnt want to build. [15:09] frz: why do you want to know how many IPs a vserver can handle? [15:10] because we use vserver for customers, and each SSL Zert. needs one IP [15:10] Zoiah: I read that, but I do not agree, although it might work, but I got many reports regarding broken ipv4, if ipv6 is enabled in the kernel, even without any ipv6 modules loaded ... [15:10] zoiah: interesting idea... and solves most of the problem (people can still run IPv6 tunnels to their host [15:10] frz: yes, that is correct, again how many per vserver? [15:11] Zoiah,sladen: if anybody is willing to test such a 'hack' I have no problems to code something up ... ;) [15:11] I would be very interested in testing this. [15:11] talon: great, good works, thank you very much! [15:12] I'm using IPv4 in my testvservers at home with a IPv6-enabled kernel. [15:12] bertl: ...if, I, had, spare, hardware [15:12] This way it would be possible to do something like setup a portforward to the ipv4 vserver to make it ipv6-enabled without having to code the entire ipv6 abstraction. [15:13] Bertl: want to see the error message the util-vserver build gives or you want to wait til you play with it yourself? probably int eh next couple of days. depending on when robs feels like setting up the firewall. [15:13] talon: did you talk with enrico? [15:14] dont think so. at least when i posted about the utils not building nobody responded. [15:14] talon: what is the error? [15:14] just a mo and i will paste it. [15:15] hmm no i will have to post it on the web. [15:15] wont paste right in irc. [15:16] fingers.shocking.com/~talon/build.txt [15:17] Ahh, assembler problems... that's a bit out of my league. :) [15:18] the kernel seems to build and boot with teh vserver patch so that hopefully is a good sign. [15:19] hmm, interesting ... [15:20] you are compiling on that machine, right? [15:20] yes. [15:20] couldnt resist trying. [15:21] well, I don't know anything about sparc assembler, but it seems to me like the assembler assumes an other cpu as the compiler does ... [15:21] so maybe up/downgrading binutils/gcc would help ;) [15:22] could be althought eh way i read that error message its trying to use an instruction that is ionly for v9 sparc instrustions when it its beign told to create a binary for v8. [15:22] but i could be wrong i dont really understand what that particular compiler invocation is. [15:23] well /tmp/cc0XFOsP.s _is_ an assembler file generated by gcc ... [15:23] havent botherd to try and compile it a differnt way since i figure someone much more experienced with teh code base iwll be trying soon anyway. [15:23] so if the gcc compiles asm for v9, and the as (binutils) refuses to assemble ... there is a mismatch ... [15:26] Linux vserver-dev 2.4.25-pre8 #2 Wed Feb 4 01:37:24 EST 2004 sparc64 sun4u TI UltraSparc IIi (Sabre) GNU/Linux [15:27] sounds good, did you try to compile Jacks older tools (like 0.24/0.26)? [15:27] no, just the lateist. [15:27] would be interesting ... to know ... did you compile anything else on that machine? [15:28] what do you mean? it is gentoo after all so pretty much everything. [15:28] had to botostrap up pretty much everythign that was out of date form source. [15:28] and the kernel build went off without a hitch so im sure the compiler environment is kosher. [15:29] hmm, enricos tools use C99 and some C++ (which is left over from Jacks tools) [15:30] gcc version 3.2.3 20030422 (Gentoo Linux 1.4 3.2.3-r2, propolice) [15:30] should support it. [15:31] is 3.32 an option? [15:31] maybe even binutils 2.14.90.0.8? [15:32] probably but its ot been unmasked as stable on sparc yet. [15:32] let em see what version of binutils i have installed. [15:33] * sys-devel/binutils [15:33] Latest version available: 2.14.90.0.7-r4 [15:33] Latest version installed: 2.14.90.0.7-r4 [15:33] Size of downloaded files: 10,327 kB [15:33] Homepage: http://sources.redhat.com/binutils/ [15:33] Description: Tools necessary to build programs [15:33] Filther (Filther@dial193164.vnet.hu) joined #vserver. [15:33] hi [15:33] hi Filther! [15:33] I think I've found another bug [15:33] ;> [15:34] it's in /usr/sbin/vserver [15:34] probably better to have him work with it himself. you can use teh emerge tool to build anythign you need. [15:34] which reminds me i was just about to remove stuff i dont need. [15:34] when I try to do: vserver v2 build, for example [15:35] (and I'm sure there's no vserver by that name) [15:35] it says the specified vserver exists [15:35] no matter the name [15:35] what tools are those? [15:35] after the first vserver, it keeps repeating that the named vserver exists [15:35] moment [15:35] util-vserver-0.27 [15:36] vserver-admin-0.29-1 [15:36] vserver-0.29-1 [15:36] hrm ... enrico will eat you ... [15:36] ? [15:36] well, the tools are known to collide, if more than one version is used ... [15:36] util-vserver replaces vserver+vserver-admin ... [15:37] I resolved this bug by changing some lines in /usr/sbin/vserver, by the way [15:37] util-vserver is Enrico, vserver is Jack [15:37] yeah, but which vserver did you modify? [15:37] well, I've done the install as it was instructed on linux-vserver.com [15:37] because both packages provide that file for example ;) [15:37] hmm [15:37] good question. [15:37] :) [15:38] phlex (~phlex@pD9587281.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #vserver. [15:38] Hello. [15:38] alright. which should I use? admin or utils? [15:38] I prefer util-vserver, because it is still maintained ... [15:38] right. [15:39] the 0.29 er vserver tools from jack are unfortunately buggy, I fixed some of the bugs, but jack hasn't responded yet ... [15:39] hi phlex! [15:39] Hi bertl. [15:40] Anyone having chbind problems with 2.4.24 Kernel, 1.2.24 vserver patch and vserver 0.29? Or anyone who could help? [15:41] http://www.linux-vserver.org/index.php?page=New-Howto -> this says it installs both (utils and admin) [15:41] confusing [15:41] I've gotta go [15:41] bye! [15:41] Filther (Filther@dial193164.vnet.hu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:41] well add that I said, they collide .. (after all it's a wiki) [15:42] phlex: what issues? [15:43] Ok. I have linux 2.4.24 installed. ck patch including vserver and grsecurity. When I do the chbind I get this error: "Can't set the ipv4 root (Bad address)". First I thought I'd forget to patch vserver into the kernel but I didn't. I'm deperate now :( [15:44] Bertl: oh yeah the lvm module appears to compile as an option int eh saprc linux kernel too so i dont see a reason you cant use it to your advantage. [15:45] phlex: could you run that script on the host, and report the results? http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/testme.sh [15:46] sure [15:48] Bertl: havent gotten around to testing your new quota patch yet. should be doing that soon. along with other stuff i was going to do before i got lost in setting up a linux dist on the sparc. [15:49] well, guess you learned a lot from that install, so I hope it wasn't just lost time ... [15:50] nahh. wasnt lost time at all. i learned that i wotn ever be touching debian agian if i can help it :) [15:50] hehe [15:50] shame on you, then ;) [15:51] do you know Iliads distribution wars? [15:51] i foudn gentoo to be much easier to install and much more functional. even though it doesnt even have an installer as such. unless you count opening a virtual console and running lynx to read a setp by step install document with a root prompt in the other screen. [15:51] miller7 (none@213.239.180.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 501 seconds [15:51] it would probably have debian sarge on it now if they had updated jigdo images for sparc. [15:52] only ones they have avialable are so outdates that there are missing files. so you cant ocmplete the cd build. [15:52] talon: you sure? afaik the images are build automatically. [15:53] Zoiah: that they do. but as images onthe mirror change (ie get deleted for newer versions) the jigdo image is no longer valid. teh deleted packages are only kept inthe superceded archive for so many days. [15:54] and the sparc jigdo template is sevral months old. [15:54] while the i386 templates still are new enough to refrence existing files. [15:54] at least for sarge. [15:55] didnt try building an unstable image. [15:55] and woody was jsut too old to consider for building modern kernels. without me spending even more time hand building all the tools i needed. [15:55] Ahh, you're right... but you can always dist-upgrade to sarge? [15:55] Zoiah: did that from woody and ran into troubble on sparc. [15:56] well i didn tuse dist upgrade. [15:56] okay, you wanted it that way, madnrake on sparc would have been the best choice, anyway! ;) [15:56] probably where i went wrong. [15:57] they stopped with 7.1 in 2000 but well 2000 was a good year ;) [15:57] didnt know mandrake supported sparc. gentto is certanly teh most up to date as far as tools go. [15:57] talon: you always need to do "dist-upgrade" if you're upgrading between debian distributions. [15:57] phlex (~phlex@pD9587281.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 501 seconds [15:57] talon: although, I have to admin nearly all my experience with debian is on x86 (and a little alpha, and a friend of mine has debian on sparc). [15:58] Zoiah: i have to admit i dont know a lot about debian. but i did give it a good try first. (about 2 days non stop) [15:59] talon: the latest vserver development stuff doesn't compile on woody on i386 either. [15:59] im more of a Solaris/BSD guy. and i find slackware a nicer fit as far as linux goes in general. [15:59] id have put salkc on it if the last version supported on sparc wasnt slack 7. [16:00] but gentoo is easy to keep up to date. with emerge. its a lot like using apt or freebsd ports. [16:00] okay, any vserver questions left? because I have to leave in a few minutes ... [16:00] Where I work we used to be a mostly Solaris/HP-UX/OSF1-shop but we've mostly migrated to RHAS/SLES. [16:01] very similar to apt actually. [16:01] except it builds form source. [16:02] okay, I was thinking about splitting up the q0.13 to provide disk limit independant from the quota stuff, is there any interest for that or does nobody care? [16:02] might be interesting. although i like having both as one patch. [16:02] what's the difference between disk limit and quota? [16:03] but considering context quotas interfere with setting up normal quotas on every other fs i guess its a good idea. [16:03] talon: I'm running Gentoo on one of my workstations also, but it just bothers me that upgrading stuff takes frickin' ages. :) [16:03] kestrel: disk limits is what you see with df in vserver, quota is what repquota reports for each user inside a vserver [16:04] Zoiah: possible to do binary packages too. so i guess if you had a ton of gentoo boxes you could have a beefy build box and push teh updates out to the rest. [16:05] talon: another alternative would be to add the quota hash for the host automatically ;) [16:05] Bertl: you could do that, what baout filesystems not mounted with tagctx. [16:06] talon: I don't have a ton of gentoo boxes. :) [16:06] well, that would be regardless of that ... the tagxid option only ensures that the fs has xid tagging enabled ;) [16:06] Bertl: yeah but unless it has that enabled i havent been able to use cqhadd on it. [16:06] so context quota per se works without tagxid, but tagxid is required to add a hash, which would be done by the kernel ;) [16:07] oh i see. [16:07] yeah that would be nice. [16:07] that would allow to have something which would look very much like 'normal' quota ... [16:07] if you can do that i dont see a reason to do it as a seprate patch. [16:08] werent they seprate patches before? [16:08] the thing is, the quota stuff is very intrusive, and if somebody doesn't need it, I always suggest to leave it out, that is the reason why it is still not included in the vserver patch ... [16:09] there was a separate quota patch, but the dlimit stuff currently uses the quota hashes to store the information ... [16:09] Bertl: *shrug* well i guess it makes no difference to me. if i have to add another patch when i update the kernel. [16:09] herbert: ah, okay [16:09] i have a logical volume per vserver, so i have not kept track of any of that stuff [16:09] certanly cant argue with an answer like that. [16:10] are the disk limits enforced, or merely decorative? [16:10] enforced .. [16:10] but i would love to have that context hash added for ctx0 auotmagically. [16:10] thought that that would be a nice feature ;) [16:12] okay, maybe I do both, maybe I split it up into three patches ...one which adds some generic per partition xid hashes, and two others, utilizing them for dlimits and quota ... [16:13] and let the quota stuff act like normal quota on both xid tagged fs and untagged, by automagically adding the xid=0 hash ... [16:13] thanks for your opinion ... have to leave now, cu in the evening ... [16:13] Nick change: Bertl -> Bertl_oO [16:14] heh, cant wait til that box is patched in so people cna start playing with sparc support. [16:15] is there a memory limit patch that works? [16:15] damn. and just when he left too. id like to know that myself. [16:16] hmm that sun thing is up again.. time for me to go to bed myself. [16:19] hehe [16:41] phlex (~phlex@pD9E10617.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #vserver. [16:42] re. Wasn't a good idea to run the testme script :( [16:49] frz (~frz@213.235.213.90) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:49] frz (~frz@213.235.213.90) joined #vserver. [17:00] frz (~frz@213.235.213.90) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:07] minus273 (~minus273@orange.mnet.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:29] Phoof. [17:30] Action: virtuoso has passed linux administration on brainbench. :) [17:42] Nick change: surriel -> riel [18:10] vat (vat@pD9E37174.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #vserver. [18:10] hi. [18:10] phlex (~phlex@pD9E10617.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:31] [HvD] (~guess@62.99.252.14) joined #vserver. [18:32] <[HvD]> hi, any ideas how to work around the strange suSish rc.d/rc ? (rc scripts try to redirect to /dev/console) .. so no output given when vserver starts .. ? [18:33] remove the redirection to > /dev/console ? [18:35] <[HvD]> i already removed the redirect: #exec 0<> $CONSOLE 1>&0 2>&0 [18:35] <[HvD]> but in many scripts there is a redirection to $CONSOLE .. [18:36] CONSOLE=/dev/tty ./foobar [18:43] <[HvD]> did so but still looks strange .. it forks directly aufter doing a vserver start [18:44] <[HvD]> s/aufter/after .. [18:51] <[HvD]> well i yust put some echo "foo" on the first line of rc.d/rc but they dont seem to get echoed (anywhere) .. (any debian/pld server works ;-) ) .. [18:55] well there's a lesson. Use Debian ;) [19:12] hm. where are CAP's stored in? got 2 vserver on two different hostsystems, one got no CAP_QUOTACTL [19:26] /etc/vservers/$FOO.conf | grep 'S_CAPS=' [19:27] nah. not the config. since which patch it's in? [19:28] 0.0.something [19:28] ctx17c does not seems to have it [19:28] miller7 (none@213.239.130.69) joined #vserver. [19:28] or do you mean the CAP_QUOTACTL one specifically? [19:28] hello ppl [19:34] <[HvD]> sladen:.. the customer gets what he wishes/deserves ;-) [19:48] Nick change: cgone -> cdub [20:00] Nick change: _shuri -> _shur1 [20:16] miller7 (none@213.239.130.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 501 seconds [20:18] serving (~serving@213.186.188.205) got netsplit. [20:18] Medivh (ck@62.93.217.199) got netsplit. [20:18] click (click@gonnamakeyou.com) got netsplit. [20:18] maharaja (maharaja@ipax.tk) got netsplit. [20:18] youam (~youam@sc-gw.scientific.de) got netsplit. [20:18] Bertl_oO (~herbert@MAIL.13thfloor.at) got netsplit. [20:19] serving (~serving@213.186.188.205) returned to #vserver. [20:19] maharaja (maharaja@ipax.tk) returned to #vserver. [20:19] youam (~youam@sc-gw.scientific.de) returned to #vserver. [20:19] click (click@gonnamakeyou.com) returned to #vserver. [20:19] Bertl_oO (~herbert@MAIL.13thfloor.at) returned to #vserver. [20:19] Medivh (ck@62.93.217.199) returned to #vserver. [20:25] <[HvD]> sladen: mhh it works fine if i do a vserver foo exec /bin/sh -c "RUNLEVEL=3;PREVLEVEL=S;export RUNLEVEL PREVLEVEL;/etc/rc.d/rc" but not with vserver foo start .. [20:42] _shur1 (~shushushu@vserver.electronicbox.net) left irc: Quit: changing servers [20:42] _shur1 (~shushushu@vserver.electronicbox.net) joined #vserver. [20:45] <[HvD]> grml yust found it .. i started init via $STARTCMD wich forked ;-) but still wondering why i did not get any output (even linking /dev/console to /dev/tty) ... anyway it works for me ;-) [20:47] <[HvD]> btw is there anythink upcoming to unify the alias interfaces ? they have only char[16] which makes it dificult to have a fec/bonding/8021q setup .. causing only 8 chars for server name .. [20:48] <[HvD]> bond0.2:foo [20:52] _shur1 (~shushushu@vserver.electronicbox.net) left irc: Quit: changing servers [20:54] [HvD]: new alpha branch does not use aliases anymore but makes the ips unnamed by default [20:56] _shur1 (~shushushu@vserver.electronicbox.net) joined #vserver. [21:00] Nick change: Bertl_oO -> Bertl [21:01] hi all! [21:01] miller7 (none@213.239.130.69) joined #vserver. [21:01] hi miller7! [21:01] hi Bert! [21:02] hi HvD! [21:03] hi Bertl [21:03] hi vat! [21:09] noel (~noel@pD9E094A5.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:13] _shur1 (~shushushu@vserver.electronicbox.net) left irc: Quit: changing servers [21:17] _shur1 (~shushushu@vserver.electronicbox.net) joined #vserver. [21:19] <[HvD]> is it bad to symlink /dev/console to /dev/tty ? [21:19] <[HvD]> (this would allow SuSE Vserver to run unmodified) .. [21:19] hmm, it is interesting, why would you do that? [21:20] <[HvD]> suse tries to redirect anything to /dev/console on startup . . [21:20] why not copy /dev/null over /dev/console? [21:20] <[HvD]> with symlinking and patching vserver (setting correct PREVLEVEL) would allow it to use the server unmodified .. [21:21] <[HvD]> you wont get any output ;-) .. [21:21] <[HvD]> (non sysv init output) [21:21] hmm, okay, sounds reasonable ... [21:23] _shur1 (~shushushu@vserver.electronicbox.net) left irc: Quit: changing servers [21:23] _shur1 (~shushushu@vserver.electronicbox.net) joined #vserver. [21:45] anyone here using Gentoo for a vserver? [21:45] (not host) [21:50] any issues with that? [21:50] (jsut curious) [21:51] no, just wanting to find out if anyone is using it and tell me their experience :) [21:51] I haven't used it yet [21:51] gentoo? [21:51] emerge life! [21:51] ;) [21:51] vat: u using it? [21:56] of course NOT. [21:57] Action: vat doesn't look like strange ;) [21:57] can you please explain? [21:58] guess he was joking about the gentoo 'emerge' tool ... [21:58] yes but I didn't understand why he says so intensly that he does not use it ? [21:58] just like to understand the reason [22:00] because every other distribution (besides that distro you are using atm) is evil! 8-) [22:00] :) [22:00] I am just testing gentoo :) [22:01] Action: miller7 is comfortable with any distro as long as it's not becoming like MS [22:02] the best advice I can give you is to try whatever distro and see if it suits you, any information from any other person is biased and reflects only their preference ... [22:02] that's what I always say [22:02] a distro is as good as the person using it and is familiar with it [22:03] hmm, you are one of those guys who are not afraid of saying 'jehovah!' ;) [22:04] bert, don't make jokes I cannot understand :) [22:05] hmm, you definitely should have a day off and get some Monty Python's DVDs ... [22:05] oh [22:05] I forgot I had to get the last one you said the other time :0 [22:06] Action: miller7 takes a mental note to do that when he returns to homeland [22:10] I've seen "Life of brian" though :) [22:10] well you should know the 'jehovah' part then ;) [22:11] I don't remember it :( [22:12] http://ine.250x.com/brian-1.html#stoning [22:12] <[HvD]> hehe [22:15] LOL [22:21] gentoo is just a click-colored-rainbox-eyelbindness-distribution ;) [22:21] hehe [22:23] <[HvD]> i guess i will go asleep now before stones get threwn .. [22:23] gentoo? [22:23] gentoo [22:23] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [22:23] did he say jehovah? [22:23] :P [22:23] microsoft [22:23] JEHOVA! [22:23] ;-) [22:24] microsoft, microsoft microsoft microsoft [22:24] Action: Bertl throws a stone ... [22:24] some people of that jehova guys visited our office last week [22:24] <[HvD]> Are there any women here today?! [22:24] "Can we speak with you about god and the world?" [22:24] "No. But we can speak about your life after your death." [22:24] <[HvD]> lol [22:25] <[HvD]> do penguins have a god ? [22:25] <[HvD]> or a life-after death ? [22:25] <[HvD]> (do they ever die) ? [22:26] I stick with more lemental questions like 'do androids dream of electric sheep?' [22:26] <[HvD]> oh i guess some day they will und up in hell (http://www.freebsd.org/gifs/dae_up3.gif) [22:26] <[HvD]> Bertl: yes but they count in 101010001 [22:27] <[HvD]> until -1 is reached .. ;-) [22:34] Bertl, do you know the c't magazine? ;) [22:34] yup .. I know it ... [22:35] we had a guy here on the channel, from c't ... [22:35] Bertl, they're currently testing vserver offers of some companys.. [22:35] so.. he tested the vserver since october, and yesterday he got a ctx system. [22:35] yes, he was asking some questions regarding that ... [22:35] and - he did very lame things with it :P [22:35] http://cvs.x-bone.de/slist [22:36] really this will crash your box ;)..even with nice 19 it will take *all* your memory ;) [22:36] what was his name? [22:36] you mean the irc nick? [22:36] yep. [22:36] real name is erik moeller ;) [22:37] something with X..., I don't remember ... [22:37] hm. okay ;). [22:37] the logs should contain his name ... [22:37] let's bomb his house [22:38] hey do we really care what he is writing? [22:38] nah, i hope he won't write anything about us [22:38] Action: miller7 does not [22:38] will be too much work :( [22:38] and by the way, he said, that he is planning to do a comparison of the virtualization technologies too ... [22:38] all the smart-ass people become testing journalists [22:38] this test only compared the 'providers' [22:38] yep, got a very obsoleted vmware box in october 2003... called us this week and said that the test was lame ;) [22:39] .oO(of course it was.) [22:43] wow... I'm downloading from a user in direct connect with 600KB /sec! Too bad he only has a few files [22:45] hm. got only 3mbps adsl here. :( [22:46] Action: miller7 is directly connected to his 1 Gbps :P [22:46] noel (~noel@pD9FFAAB4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #vserver. [22:46] I wish I had this at home :) [22:47] me too, me too [22:48] Bertl: I should remember you about the CfP on Linuxtag.:) [22:49] what was the url? [22:49] http://www.linuxtag.org/2004/cfp.html [22:51] miller7, hm. okay. can also go into noc and use 4x1gbps :p [22:51] vat: yeaaaaaah, that's the whole fun! [22:51] also play network games! [22:51] nah..therefore i do not need 1gbps.. need therefore less latency ;) [22:53] *sigh*. Dick waving [22:53] noel: okay, thanks, will write/send an abstract ... ;) [22:57] Bertl: :) great. [22:57] _shur1 (~shushushu@vserver.electronicbox.net) left irc: Quit: changing servers [22:57] _shur1 (~shushushu@vserver.electronicbox.net) joined #vserver. [22:57] Bertl: afaik, if you are a speaker your hotel will be paid (its a great one there;)) [22:59] "We have Joey, we have fun, we have Linux on the Sun." [23:03] mhm, 2.6.2 is out [23:12] since some hours, yep ;) [23:12] 2.4.25 will follow soon :) [23:14] _shur1 (~shushushu@vserver.electronicbox.net) left irc: Quit: changing servers [23:14] hi maharaja! gues we should update vs0.06 then ... [23:15] bertl: true :) [23:15] compiled my first 2.6.1 kernel yesterday [23:15] got to upgrade today ... duh! [23:15] but i'm kind of relieved that my first 2.6 kernel booted and is working as expected :) [23:15] great! [23:17] _shur1 (~shushushu@vserver.electronicbox.net) joined #vserver. [23:20] Doener_zZz (~doener@pD9588A03.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #vserver. [23:20] serving (~serving@213.186.188.205) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:23] _shur1 (~shushushu@vserver.electronicbox.net) left irc: Quit: changing servers [23:24] _shur1 (~shushushu@vserver.electronicbox.net) joined #vserver. [23:28] Doener (~doener@pD9588B0A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 492 seconds [23:35] touch \"\>\\< [23:35] hm [23:35] why can't I create a file named so? ;) [23:36] Whocares (~aaa@62.29.118.175) joined #vserver. [23:36] vat: / is reserved [23:37] hm.. okay, *blind*. [23:37] but this should work with windows :p [23:38] sure, everything 'works' with windows ;) [23:38] hey [23:38] could you help me [23:38] hmm, should I care? [23:38] ;) [23:38] how i can install vserveR ? [23:38] easily! [23:39] how ? [23:39] where i can download it ? [23:39] you patch the kernel, install the tools, and you are done... [23:39] linux-vserver.org [23:40] http://www.13thfloor.at/vserver/s_release/overview/ [23:40] miller7 (none@213.239.130.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:40] after installion, i can shell vps servers ? [23:41] after installion, i can sell vps servers ? [23:41] ? [23:41] hmm yes, why not? [23:42] Bertl, why ctx17c doesn't have CAP_QUOTACTL? :) [23:44] hmm, because it doesn't have quota patches? [23:48] hmm.. okay. [23:52] ftp21 (~mree3@c-24-21-172-172.client.comcast.net) joined #vserver. [00:00] --- Thu Feb 5 2004