--- Log opened nie maj 02 00:00:27 2004 01:00:36>> dsanta [~santa@68.190.156.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:42:04>> Apollo [Apollo@panther.norcomcable.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:10:19>> monrad [~monrad@213083190232.sonofon.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:43:11>> Bertl_oO is now known as Bertl_zZ 05:23:47>> dsanta [~santa@68.190.156.105] has joined #vserver 08:31:20>> lilo_ is now known as lilo 08:56:22>> micah [micah@micha.hampshire.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:59:40>> micah [micah@micha.hampshire.edu] has joined #vserver 10:11:22>> Khahan [~Filbert@D5E0E5F0.kabel.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: the world is full of apathy, but I don't care] 10:17:38>> Khahan [~Filbert@D5E0E5F0.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #vserver 10:25:18>> _LeXo_ is now known as franck 11:10:19>> Doener` [~doener@pD9588041.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #vserver 11:17:29>> Doener [~doener@pD9588243.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:25:03>> Doener` is now known as Doener 11:36:16< eyck> anyone seeing this: 11:36:17< eyck> Setting up ssh (3.8p1-3) ... 11:36:17< eyck> PRNG is not seeded 11:36:18< eyck> ? 11:45:27< Doener> hmm... sounds like /dev/random needs (more?) data 11:46:06>> nalfein [~gaertner@212.68.83.129] has quit [Quit: Serverwechsel] 12:17:55>> serving [~serving@213.186.189.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13:13< eyck> hmm, aah, what about when there is NO /dev/random? ;) thanx. 13:38:28>> monrad [~monrad@213083190250.sonofon.dk] has joined #vserver 14:04:43>> yarihm [~yarihm@217-162-205-7.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 14:13:02>> yarihm [~yarihm@217-162-205-7.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #vserver 14:13:55>> serving [~serving@213.186.189.95] has joined #vserver 14:47:35>> Bertl_zZ is now known as Bertl 14:47:39< Bertl> morning everyone! 14:54:48< UFOczek> Morning Bertl ! 14:54:53< Doener> morning Bertl1 14:55:09>> mhepp [~mhepp@r72s22p13.home.nbox.cz] has joined #vserver 14:55:25< Bertl> hi UFOczek, Doener and mhepp? 15:05:38< mhepp> Bertl: Hi 15:07:53< mhepp> for which kernel version is this experimental version? 15:09:46< Bertl> 2.6 15:10:09< Bertl> currently vs1.9.0pre13 is for 2.6.6-rc3 15:19:17< mhepp> and where can I dowload it? I did not found in on linux-vserver.org ... 15:19:40< Bertl> yep, correct, didn't update it for some time ... 15:19:48< Bertl> http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/ 15:20:35< mhepp> :)) 15:20:39< mhepp> thx 15:20:49< Bertl> np 15:25:25>> cereal is now known as cereal[n\a] 15:37:59>> _id [~id@pD95197F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:39:04 * broo is away: hey look over there -> 15:39:59 * Bertl is looking over there ... 8-) 15:53:50>> _id [~id@p50835CF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #vserver --- Log closed nie maj 02 16:03:52 2004 --- Log opened nie maj 02 16:19:47 2004 16:19:47>> albeiro [albeiro@linux.gentoo.pl] has joined #vserver 16:19:50>> Irssi: #vserver: Total of 36 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 36 normal] 16:19:58< Bertl> hi _id! 16:20:21>> Irssi: Join to #vserver was synced in 44 secs 16:29:27< _id> lo Bertl 16:29:29< _id> do you have any experience in openmosix ? 16:29:29< _id> whould be great to combine clustering and vservers ... 16:34:12< Bertl> you are not the first and probably not the last with this idea ... 16:34:12< Bertl> my answer is simple: no, not much experience with *mosix, but I guess, if you want it for load balancing, you can do it, if you want it for redundancy, no way ... 16:35:36< _id> http://www.tuxlinux.org/ - they seemed to get this combo to work - but no docs there 16:38:37< Bertl> of course, you have to transport the context structures from one node to the other ... 16:38:37< Bertl> hmm, why do you think so? 16:38:37< _id> ... think what = 16:38:37< _id> ? 16:38:38< Bertl> 16:34 < _id> http://www.tuxlinux.org/ - they seemed to get this combo to work - but no docs there 16:38:40< _id> http://www.tuxlinux.org/?show=19&listit=technik+cluster&sessid=07945dd94551eb35b7ccb030adcd273a 16:38:40< _id> the picture shows it 16:38:40< Bertl> well, I'd say this is your wishful thinking ... I see two servers, labeled 'clusternode' replicating a vserver from one to the other ;) 16:38:40< _id> it is a failover scenario 16:38:40< Bertl> yep, but that doesn't require any *mosix at all 16:38:40< _id> do you suggest just round robin load-balance ? --- Log closed nie maj 02 16:45:53 2004 --- Log opened nie maj 02 16:47:17 2004 16:47:17>> albeiro [albeiro@linux.gentoo.pl] has joined #vserver 16:47:19>> Irssi: #vserver: Total of 36 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 36 normal] 16:47:46>> Irssi: Join to #vserver was synced in 35 secs 17:03:01>> nalfein [~gaertner@212.68.83.129] has joined #vserver 17:03:20< Bertl> hi nalfein! 17:05:00< Bertl> anybody interested in proofreading my Linux-VServer paper? 17:07:49< Doener> interested in reading: yes... proofreading: erm.. don't know if i'm good at that ;) 17:08:08< Bertl> well, you can comment on it I guess ... 17:08:40< Doener> that's right 17:10:15< Bertl> give me a minute to finish/uplaod it somewhere .. 17:10:34< Bertl> well, actually some aprts are still missing ... 17:16:06< Bertl> http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/PAPER-03.txt 17:16:29< Bertl> this is some kind of ASCII emta format I use, which is later converted to whatever required ... 17:17:29< Bertl> comments a re very welcome ... 17:28:15>> loger [~loger@213.159.118.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:29:49< monrad> Bertl: nice paper i am about 1/3 through it 17:30:10< Bertl> tx 17:31:11>> loger [~loger@213.159.118.2] has joined #vserver 17:32:07< Bertl> okay, dinnertime, will be back in 30min or so ... 17:32:25>> Bertl is now known as Bertl_oO 17:48:01>> Apollo [Apollo@panther.norcomcable.ca] has joined #vserver 17:51:51>> Bertl_oO is now known as Bertl 17:52:07< Bertl> okay, back again ... 17:54:59< UFOczek> Bertl: :-* 17:55:00< UFOczek> ;-) 18:10:34< monrad> interesting reading Bertl but you lost me a bit at the end :) 18:10:45< UFOczek> i'm too lazy to apply that patch, Bertl. 18:11:02< Bertl> monrad: hmm, bad style? or just to heavy? 18:11:09< Bertl> even too 18:11:32< monrad> for me it is a bit heavy but if you are into kernel stuff i think it is good enough 18:22:36< Doener> i'm half-way through it, and so far it reads pretty good 18:24:38< Doener> maybe example E4 could be splitted up, it's mentioned so often, it has too be very long ;) 18:24:47< Doener> s/too/to/ 18:24:55< Bertl> hehe, that's still missing stuff ;) 18:26:55>> mhepp [~mhepp@r72s22p13.home.nbox.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:29< Doener> Bertl: CHAPTER Linux Kernel Intro, maybe you could add an 'introduction to the introduction'? IMHO that topic comes a little out-of-nowhere and i felt like 'hmm... ok, why am i reading this?'... 18:36:58< Bertl> hmm, okay ... I'll see what I can do ... 18:38:16< Doener> maybe just a short mentioning, that context stuff is done through userspace tools that need to communicate with the kernel... then the reader knows why the section is important 18:38:39< Bertl> okay ... 18:44:57< Bertl> what about: 18:45:00< Bertl> CHAPTER Linux Kernel Intro 18:45:03< Bertl> While almost all of the described features reside 18:45:03< Bertl> in the Linux Kernel, nifty Userspace Tools are 18:45:03< Bertl> required to activate and control the new functionality. 18:45:03< Bertl> 18:45:03< Bertl> Those Userspace Tools in general communicate with 18:45:05< Bertl> the Linux Kernel via so called System Calls (Sys-calls). 18:45:08< Bertl> This chapter will give a short overview how Linux 18:45:19< Bertl> ... 18:47:55< Doener> sounds good to me 19:04:47>> stupidawy [foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:05:19< UFOczek> Bertl: alive ? ;) 19:05:32< Bertl> yep 19:05:50< UFOczek> kernel/vserver/inode.c:215: error: `PROC_DYNAMIC_FIRST' undeclared (first use in this function) 19:06:34< Bertl> hmm, looks like a patch/kernel mismatch ;) 19:06:38< UFOczek> i patched -wolk with your -wolk-vs patch, i have also edited .rej files 19:07:38< UFOczek> hmm. 19:07:58< Bertl> you are still working on the wolk adaptation? I thought you wanted to wait? 19:08:32< UFOczek> i started 30 minutes ago ;) 19:08:57< UFOczek> i think i forgot about include file.. 19:11:07>> kestrel [athomas@38.6.233.220.exetel.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:11:12>> kestrel [athomas@38.6.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #vserver 19:11:15< Bertl> Doener: what would you say, if I moved the kernel Chapter to the end? 19:13:02>> stupidawy [foo@you.wish.you.were.pimp.olicio.us] has joined #vserver 19:13:10< Bertl> hi stupidawy! 19:13:46< UFOczek> i thinkt there is sth wrong with your patch,Bertl. 19:14:06< Bertl> probably ;) 19:14:23< UFOczek> damn you. 19:14:44< UFOczek> can i get url for -current 2.6.5 version of linux vserver ? 19:14:59< Bertl> you mean 2.6.6-rc3 version? 19:15:08< UFOczek> yy... 19:15:10< UFOczek> 2.6.5 :)) 19:15:30< Doener> Bertl: not such a bad idea i'd say... 19:15:32< Bertl> there is no 'current' 2.6.5 version ... there is only an old one 19:15:55< UFOczek> gimme one. 19:16:01< Doener> the kernel stuff can be seen as additional information 19:16:29< Bertl> yep, thought so ... I'll upload a new version soon ... 19:18:16< UFOczek> damn 19:18:25< UFOczek> why i can't find any urls for older version for 2.6 ? 19:18:26< Bertl> http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/ 19:18:46< Bertl> (patcher's paradise) 19:18:48< UFOczek> thanx :) 19:44:08< Bertl> Doener: if you are still interested: 19:44:11< Bertl> http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/PAPER-04.txt 19:44:37< Bertl> (same for other folks interested in commenting on ;) 20:07:18>> Medivh [ck@62.93.217.184] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:46>> noel- [~noel@pD9FFEF8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #vserver 20:17:16< Bertl> hi noel-! 20:24:05>> noel [~noel@pD9FFFD90.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:30:09>> noel- [~noel@pD9FFEF8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:36:20>> monrad [~monrad@213083190250.sonofon.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:28>> Medivh [ck@62.93.217.192] has joined #vserver 20:41:49< Bertl> hi again Medivh? 20:41:57< Medivh> hi :) 20:42:28< Bertl> wanna proof-read my paper? 20:43:19< Medivh> which paper? :) 20:43:34< Bertl> Linux-VServer paper of course ... 20:43:39>> monrad [~monrad@213083190250.sonofon.dk] has joined #vserver 20:43:54< Medivh> where can i find it? 20:44:47< Bertl> http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/PAPER-04.1.txt 20:44:51< Bertl> (latest version) 20:45:07< Bertl> it's kind of meta ASCII code ... but it should be readable ... 20:45:15< Medivh> let me take a look ;) 20:45:35< Medivh> wow, long one ;) 20:45:43< Bertl> still growing ;) 20:46:54< Medivh> btw, i was wondering, is there any news about ipv6 support yet? 20:47:15< Bertl> not really, except that it should now be safe to use it on the host ... 20:47:37< Medivh> meaning :: is "rewritten" to the vserver's ip? 20:48:03< Bertl> no, meaning is forbidden for vservers ;) 20:48:11< Medivh> oh ok ;) 21:05:49< Bertl> so what do you think of the paper? 21:18:47< Bertl> btw, is anybody using 1.3.x = 21:18:49< Bertl> ? 21:39:27>> LeXo_ [~LeXo@lns-th2-4f-81-56-252-185.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #vserver 21:39:37>> mhepp [~mhepp@r72s22p13.home.nbox.cz] has joined #vserver 21:39:55< Bertl> hi mhepp! hi LeXo_! 21:46:45>> franck [~LeXo@lns-th2-4f-81-56-252-185.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:13>> mhepp [~mhepp@r72s22p13.home.nbox.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:39< UFOczek> Bertl: sup ? 22:48:48< Bertl> hmm? 22:52:58< Bertl> sup == superior? 22:53:04< Bertl> sup = support? 22:53:16< Bertl> you want to give me some support? 22:53:33< eyck> sup - WASSUP! 22:53:54< Bertl> ahh, eyck, you probably want to proof-read my paper, right? 22:53:59< eyck> and you forgot about 'super!' 22:54:08< UFOczek> sup - > wassup! 22:54:10< UFOczek> ;D 22:54:21< eyck> Bertl: i'm browsing through it a bit, haven't found anything wrong yet. 22:54:32< Bertl> http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/PAPER-05.txt 22:54:39< Bertl> (that's the latest version) 22:54:46< Bertl> almost final ... I guess ... 22:54:59< eyck> oh, 05, haven't seen that yet 22:56:26< eyck> hmm, neither me nor diff can find any significant difference between 05 and 04.1 ;) ( putting links like Qemu[4] aside ;) 22:57:17< Bertl> hum, did I upload the wrong version then? 22:57:40< eyck> diff PAPER-0*|wc -l 22:57:40< eyck> 395 22:59:23< Bertl> hmm, you do not consider the code parts and examples significant? 23:31:12< eyck> It has a mentality difference. Instead of being a hacked on the size device 23:31:14< eyck> the filters can be pushed onto arbitary sockets. Eg you can push a filter 23:31:14< eyck> onto a tcp socket as a user to do per user firewalling 23:31:14< eyck> Alan 23:31:36< eyck> what is Linux Socket Filter if such things are possible with it? 23:32:22< Bertl> hmm, sounds interesting ... 23:35:22>> noel [~noel@pD9FFEF8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #vserver 23:35:38< Bertl> hmm noel again? 23:40:55< noel> Bertl: yes. again.:) why again? 23:41:37< Bertl> hmm, did you already scan my paper? 23:41:57< noel> Bertl: nope. which one? 23:42:02< Bertl> sec 23:42:54< Bertl> http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/PAPER-05.1.txt 23:43:56< noel> Bertl: "GNU Free Documentation License" non-free for Debian.;) 23:45:04< Bertl> well, if you suggest a better one ... 23:45:31< noel> Bertl: no. its not important. thats why I add a smiley 23:50:19< noel> Bertl: your talk will be in english or german? 23:50:48< Bertl> probably german ... this gives everyone a fair chance ... with english slides ... 23:51:24< noel> ahh. nice idea. 23:51:46< UFOczek> Bertl: it's impossible to make patch for wolk 23:51:59< UFOczek> there are a lot of changes in ./fs/inode.c 23:52:31< UFOczek> so i'm unable to continue witch applying. 23:54:38< Bertl> UFOczek: not impossible ... 23:54:41< UFOczek> possible 23:54:49< UFOczek> ;-) 23:56:01< UFOczek> or i'll use 2.6.4 23:56:18< UFOczek> with wolk and your patch 23:59:01< UFOczek> :-( 23:59:03< Bertl> as I said, I'm going to adapt it anyway, you just have to wait a little longer ... 23:59:30< UFOczek> i don't have choice - i must wait :-( --- Log closed pon maj 03 00:00:46 2004