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From: Ola Lundqvist (opal_at_debian.org)
Date: Tue 21 Dec 2004 - 17:09:29 GMT


Hello

I know that this thread is old but I have to answer as I'm the
maintainer.

On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 03:53:42PM +0100, Bjrn Steinbrink wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:35:18 +0000 (UTC)
> Jesper Krogh <jesper_at_krogh.cc> wrote:
>
> > I gmane.linux.vserver, skrev Herbert Poetzl:
> > > On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 08:40:09AM +0000, Jesper Krogh wrote:
> > > > I gmane.linux.vserver, skrev Dariush Pietrzak:
> > > > > > I'd really like to test this vserver thing out, but currently
> > > > > > it clashes with my policy of only installing things through
> > > > > > the packages system on my computers.
> > >
> > > well, either you start building packages for your
> > > package system, you rethink your policy, or you
> > > choose not to test 'this vserver thing' ...
> >
> > Sure.. I'll go that way. I'd just like to know if the were available
> > somewhere, so I could skip kernel compilation.
> >
> > > > I tried make-kpkg yesterday with the debian-kernel 2.6.9 source
> > > > and vserver patch, that actually worked, (in regards to vserver)
> > > > but failed getting pcmcia/wireless to work.
> > >
> > > well, debian source is debian source, linux-vserver
> > > patches are based on the vanilla kernel not on some
> > > distro kernel ...
> >
> > Ok.. so I'll go for the vanilla kernel in the next try.
> >
> > > > I'd really like to have a couple of vservers at my laptop for
> > > > testing software installations :-) Isn't this a common usage of
> > > > Vservers?
> > >
> > > yes, it is also common practice to avoid debian
> > > to get a working linux-vserver setup ...
> >
> > For any particular reason?
>
> Because debian packages are made to work with debian packages. That
> means that if you use the debian util-vserver package it is best to use
> their kernel patch and their helper stuff, it won't work too well with
> non debianized stuff. Problem is: debian stuff is often outdated, f.e.
> from what i remember debian has an (old) vserver patch for 2.6 (devel),
> but the tools are kept at 0.30 (stable), thus you can't use the new
> features (except if the debian maintainers wrote/backported tools...).

I would like to say like this: Debian tend to ship well tested
and stable versions. The kernel patch for 2.6 kernel was an experiment
and I actually think it was a bad ida to add it there. I have got
many misunderstandings about this version.

> Also, since some packages have very little in common with the upstream,
> it's a real pain to fix issues if you don't happen to be the debian
> maintainer.

Patches are always welcome!

> You should have a look at the list's
> archives and search for message from/to debian maintainers, maybe that
> helps understanding why, for linux-vserver, the debianized stuff is not
> the first choice.

I would like to tell that util-vserver on 2.4 is very well tested. The
reason why the 2.6 version is not included in Debian is that is is not
stable (still development as far as I know).

> That said, i want to say that i've used debian a long time and i like
> it, but sometimes their (or a maintainer's, dunno) packaging policies
> don't fit a project very well. Linux-VServer is such a project as it
> seems.

Well I do not really see your problem here. If you want to use
development branch you have to use it from upstream. Stable versions
is what is intended for release, or do I misunderstand something here?

Regards,

// Ola

> Bjoern
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