From: Hans Ulrich Niedermann (vserver_at_n-dimensional.de)
Date: Tue 28 Dec 2004 - 10:23:03 GMT
Herbert Poetzl <herbert_at_13thfloor.at> writes:
> On Mon, Dec 27, 2004 at 09:05:21PM -0500, Stephen Frost wrote:
>> * Herbert Poetzl (herbert_at_13thfloor.at) wrote:
>> > On Mon, Dec 27, 2004 at 08:48:43PM -0500, Stephen Frost wrote:
>> > > syslogd and klogd are seperate packages already, the problem is that
>> > > klogd doesn't work and complains because it doesn't have proper
>> > > permissions. I think that's the main issue...
>> >
>> > hmm, so why not simply unconfigure (remove the link for
>> > the kernel logger service for the default runlevel) and
>> > be done? no change required at all, right?
>>
>> Sure, but you can't do that in the Debian util-vserver package. :) Can't
>> touch other package config files. That's one of the reasons why I think
>> it shouldn't be the Debian's packages problem- let the user handle it,
>> it's not that big of a deal...
>>
>> > so I see no issue there, as I said, just unconfigure
>> > that 'hardware' related service like the others
>> > (random, rtc, usb ...)
>>
>> Again, a Debian util-vserver package couldn't do that due to sane policy
>> issues. It'd be nice if we didn't have to worry about it because the
>> kernel/vserver patch took care of it, but otherwise I think the user can
>> handle it and maybe we could have some stuff in README.Debian about it.
>
> you got that one wrong, the service is working fine
> on the host, it's the guest setup which doesn't allow
> for those services, and this IMHO has to be configured
> at guest installation anyway (otherwise you end up with
> a lot of error messages, when the vserver tries to access
> the hardware, configure the usb disks or set the system
> time) ...
>
> so I really, really, dont see any issues with disabling
> klogd (runlevel service that is) for a guest when it is
> isntalled, and this will solve the klogd issues in the
> guest (there should be none on the host, if so then it's
> a bug and we will try to fix it ...)
And you can even do that disabling cleanly and automatically if you
install your guest systems with a virtual klogd instead of the
standard one which contains nothing but
Provides: linux-kernel-log-daemon
Conflicts: linux-kernel-log-daemon
Replaces: linux-kernel-log-daemon
OK, it could make sense to call this package not
"util-vserver-something" but "vserver-guest". This isn't about
util-vserver any more, but more something like adding Debian support
for a new hardware platform.
And for the other hardware stuff Herbert mentioned (random, rtc,
usb)... theoretically, this vserver-guest package could pull in
dependencies on adapted versions, or provide virtual packages which
aren't useful on the guest system.
Gruß,
Uli
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