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From: Liam Helmer (linuxlists_at_thevenue.org)
Date: Thu 29 Jan 2004 - 23:34:30 GMT

I personally use Gentoo for the vast majority of my work, so a redhat
specific patchset isn't that useful to me. I noticed FreeVPS when I was
looking around, but the fact that it's so distribution-specific caused
me to pass it by without much more than a second glance. (Like most
linux geeks, I'm essentially lazy).

That said, some additional memory and networking improvements would be
very cool. Hard and soft limits on memory and processor use for vservers
would be great. What I'd specifically like to see (and I don't know if
FreeVPS supports this) is the ability to virtualize networking, so that
you have translation from "real" ip addresses, to a "fake" ip addresses
for the vservers. This would be great for my environment, where having
the ability to make a prototype of a system on a live box is very
useful. Presumably, this would involve creating a virtual network
device, much like you do with UML.

Anyways, that's my 2 cents.


On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 15:13, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
> n Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 04:34:00PM -0500, Igor Seletskiy wrote:
> > Hi Herbert,
> >
> > My name is Igor Seletskiy. I own psoft (maker of freeVPS). I wander what
> > are your thoughts about merging linux-vserver & freeVPS?
> > I believe at some points freeVPS is more advanced then linux-vserver
> > (like our new memory accounting module, new network routing, also, &
> > mount tables), on the other hand - I am pretty sure that there are bunch
> > of places where linux-vserver is more advanced.
> > I spun off freeVPS when Jacques virtually stopped releasing anything.
> > Yet, seeing how linux-vserver took off - I wander what your feelings are
> > about merging projects & working together.
> I always tried to keep contact to Alexey Lyashkov, who,
> if I'm not mistaken, started and maintains the vserver
> branch, now known as freeVPS (I wonder if that information
> is incomplete?)
> I'm forwarding this to the mailing list, because I think
> it is of interest for the community, and I hope you do not
> take this as a personal offense (which isn't intended).
> some facts (as I see them):
> - freeVPS has some features the current linux-vserver
> implementation lacks (memory, networking, ...)
> - freeVPS is limited to a certain kernel (RH 2.4.18)
> and distribution (RedHat 7.3) and I assume arch
> (i386) too
> - the License of tools and kernel patches is not
> obvious to me, although kernel patches basically
> default to GPL
> - the changes freeVPS made to the RH kernel are very
> intrusive and might introduce various issues which
> need some reviewing and a lot of testing
> my opinion:
> I'm convinced that 'working together' in a well defined
> way, and even 'merging' various parts, provided that they
> are covered by an open and free license, could be very
> beneficial for both projects, but I currently do not see
> a simple way to do that (ideas welcome ;) ...
> That said, I'm not convinced that it can't be done, it
> just needs some work on both sides and especially some
> official statements from your side, what how and why
> psoft is/will be involved in this (well there is a
> commercial product H-Sphere, right?)
> btw, linux-vserver development is free, and as I said
> many times, patches are always welcome, so if your aim
> is to 'improve' the quality of a free linux-vserver
> implementation, publishing patches agains recent dev.
> versions would be a great way to do that ...
> Now here is the point, where I would like to ask the
> community for their opinion on that issue, because I
> might be the current project leader, but the project
> itself has evolved and become a community project.
> best,
> Herbert
> > Best Regards,
> > Igor Seletskiy
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