From: Herbert Poetzl (herbert_at_13thfloor.at)
Date: Mon 21 Jun 2004 - 13:30:26 BST
On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 12:17:38PM +0200, Thomas Sattler wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 04:51:14PM +1000, David Hill [Hostcentral] wrote:
> > OK enough is enough - the unsubscribe feature of Mailman is broken, but can
> > the admin please take me off this list?
> remove my subscription too, please
hmm, I'd like to ask _all_ current members of this
list, about their opinion, but first a few words
in general ...
a) Linux-VServer has gained some popularity, for
example try with 'vserver' and I'm Feeling Lucky
b) the mailing list is almost unused (by the list
member) probably because of the good support
on the irc channel ...
c) lkml the kernel mailing list is an open mailing
list very similar to the vserver mailing list,
and naturally receives about the same amount
of spam ...
d) you know that I'd really prefer to keep the
linux-vserver list open too, but, if the current
community decides to make it a subscription
only list, then we'll do that ...
lkml spam for today ...
135 N L Jun 21 DE LOTERIJ PROMO 49 AWARD NOTIFICATION / CONFIRMATION
218 L Jun 21 internet-markete 92 Urgent problems with your website, return 206 N L Jun 21 Romia Fersi 30 Re: linux-kernel_at_vger.kernel.org
so, I've complained a hundred times about the spam,
but there is only so much you can do about it, and
that's what we should focus on ...
if you think you can provide a better info/spam ratio
than the current list does, feel free to jump in and
manage the linux-vserver mailing list, martin does
that for us now, and I'm glad that I do not have to
maintain it myself ...
if you think you can't handle one or two spam mails
each day, and/or just want to complain about it,
please go ahead, but don't expect anything to change.
on the other hand, if you want to help here, then
complaining about the spam is the wrong approach,
either add your own spam filter, and propagate the
rules/wordlists to the ml maintainer (as is done on
lkml) or volunteer as 24/7 human spam filter, or
make some other useful suggestion ...
so, now the questions I'd like to get answered:
1) do we want an open mailing list (like lkml)
instead of a closed (subscription only) list
2) do we want martin to maintain and further
improve the existing solution
3) are we able to tolerate/ignore the unavoidable
spam every day/week/month
4) do we want the mailing list to become a medium
of communication and cooperation for linux
and my answers to those questions are:
1) YES, 2) YES, 3) YES, 4) YES
please let me know what you think, so that we can
take appropriate steps ...
... this includes David and Thomas ...
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